[user104658]

Going to be quick and straight to the point here I'm afraid Vicky:

Your entire argument from the very start of your first post describes the difference between "sex" and "gender". This is accurate. However what you then go on to do is attempt to entirely remove the entire concept of gender from the equation completely by pretending that - as it is not biologically hard wired - it therefore does not exist.

This is fundamentally flawed thinking.

Yes, the concept of gender is a social construct, but it a very REAL and still current social construct in the world we live in. You simply can't take it out of the equation. It's incorrect psychology; anything and everything you say after that is then flawed or incorrect because you are hinging your entire philosophy on the still-false premise that males and females are not still socially distinguishable.

You argue that IF infants were taken and raised in a gender-neutral environment, these issues would cease to exist. That's a valid hypothesis and may well be right but... it's completely irrelevant to a real-world discussion of gender identity.


Beyond that, I would actually agree that there are probably many individuals living as transgendered who do indeed more accurately have generalised identity disorders, often triggered by trauma. However that's a different discussion, really. The existence of those individuals doesn't make it valid to "throw the baby out with the bath water", so to speak, and deny the existence of literal biologically trans-sexed people. When you then put those people into the REAL world in which gender identities DO exist, rather than your hypothetical non-existent ideal world devoid of such roles, it's easy to see why there would be distress based around being in the "wrong body" and associated expectations.