People come in all shapes, sizes and forms which varying degrees of sensitivity regarding “lewd” conversations. That being the case, if Trump were lead to the nation, I still feel it would be a blazing step forward for some form of new age
chauvinism aka modern pseudo intellectual bull**** version(s) of sexism... among other issues of bigotry.
I don't know which channel this was on (maybe ABC), but post-debate someone in a media round table said, and I'll paraphase, that
sexual harassment used to be dismissed as "locker room" chatter back in the olden day but instead, thankfully, the average American no longer believes that this is just locker room chatter and instead views it as a sexual harassment and abhorrent behavior.
This in my own experience as well.
I had a friend who I knew since middle school with whom I ended a 13 year friendship over just this issue. I had a friend who plastered his Facebook/Twitter feeds with the sort of **** that Trump is now quoted saying. The last straw for me was my friend told me that he was fine being a cheater. Despite treating his wife like crap because of her perceivable bad attitude, if
she were to cheat, he would throw her clothes out on the lawn and make her feel like total garbage despite his own flaws and poor judgement. We were in a bar and after I clarified his actual beliefs with him, I walked out. Aside from a text every few years, we never met or spoke again.
There was no doubt in my mind that I only knew the tip of the iceberg with regards to my friend’s sexism but I'm sure I could've prodded him more details...
my experiences with anyone who is actually this sexist is that they are usually overtly so (such as Trump)... they don't go through great pains to hide it and often happy to let everyone know the “wisdom” of their ways. He and Trump were similar in that he would broadcast it to the world as some form of "real talk"... he being the one man and most honest person I'd ever know because he was
exposing the truth... etc... it was intellectual masturbation used to cover up bigotry caused his issues with women and other bitter ugliness. They, like others, were "problems"... they needed to change for this country and his life to become better. It was a not so subtle way of avoiding looking at his own flaws, his own intolerance, as a big source of his dysfunctional relationships... such as not being able to get along with his wife and feeling like he couldn’t depend on anyone (he had to demand or guilt them to do what he wanted)... if he treated them like equals, then he’d be a “pussy”.
I asked my husband today, and sometimes recently, about the men at his job and in his circles since he works a testosterone-y job as a law enforcement officer. Banter is very common where he works and among his friends, but it’s stuff along the lines of women/wives nagging, women being moody (aka bitchY0, usual banter about women's behavior not making sense... as far as the treatment of women, he did say that a few officers are very open about being players, not really the monogamist type, only playing the game for sex, etc... or "I'd hit that" "I'd like a piece of that" (among single friends)... other things we'd easily see on TiBB... but nothing that would describe the ease of
forcing upon others. Maybe the boundaries are different in Trump’s world, but not many of us can visit the Playboy Mansion with lots of cash so I’m afraid we may see it differently…
He did say however he has heard that sort of vulgarity
frequently from his inmates though..."That bitch better have moneh" "That's mah side bitch" "Bitch does mah laundry"... other violent stuff that are harder to quote.
We have a lot of guys over too from his job when we play table top games and we pride ourselves on the types of crude conversations in our household. My current character is a male sexist Dwarf who plays a macho-y perv to my husband's character who just happens to be female
. We like to push the boundaries with some of our pranks but nothing that goes to the level of anything we'd actually do in real life and certainly to describe it in the way it is mentioned in Trump's video would make the table really uncomfortable. For us, it's just silly background stories (and banter) that make it easier for us to keep to a storyline (and our character's physical/mental/emotional capabilities.
Anyway, maybe these lines are more easily crossed in the UK with the open borders and variety of cultures, but in the US the line between banter and sexual harassment are fairly clear. If it's discussed Trump’s way, it's going to be with a limited group, because most people are very sensitive to these types of discussions since the status quo has shifted so far away from what used to be comfortably discussed. In my own experiences, "locker room chat" the way Trump terms it is a thing of the past and is the exact kind of gossip that would spread between friends (male or female) to warn others to ward off "the creep". It's just not something that is acceptable in 2016 and is something that would be considered a red flag in many circles.
Sorry, my posts are long again.