[kirklancaster]

Since this excellent, abhorrent, and shocking post was made by Alf, I have refrained from responding, because I wanted to see the reaction from other members, particularly those who have been so vociferous and persistent in their - rightful - condemnation of Trump over the 'Busgate Tape'.

There has however, been, thus far, scant reaction, and what reaction there has been, has - in my opinion - been dismissive, denialist, and deflective.

But perhaps, it is not the above dismissive, denialist, and deflective 'voices' which are the most informative about the lack of impartiality, objectivity, and fairness, in some of the posts on here, but those other anti-Trump/pro Clinton 'voices' which have all so suddenly fallen deathly quiet.

And it is just that very 'nothing to say' sudden silence, which I am afraid to say, strips away all credibility from those views on here which have so vilified Trump.

The unproven, emphatically denied, and - to be honest, expected - allegations of 'historic' sexual harassment/abuse against Trump, which are now surfacing aside, the case against Trump largely rests on his 'historic' and ego-driven foolish comments regarding the opposite sex.

Unpalatable they may well be - but they are words.

Is it really 'Rapey' to look at a 12 year old girl and comment that; 'In ten years time, I might be marrying her'?

Give Trump's track record in marrying women decades his junior, and the underlying fact that he is ABLE to do so, then all Trump is really guilty of here is boastfully telling the truth about a 'possibility' - a truth which may well be outrageous or disgusting to some, but the truth nonetheless.

The arguments over the 'historical' 'Busgate' video still rages, and it has been well enough covered, but as shocking and sexist as Trump's ego-driven boastful comments are, about power, wealth and fame enabling (some) men to grope (some) women at will without protest or resistance - WAS he lying?

I still maintain that the answer is NO.

It happens in the world of the rich, powerful and famous. It has always happened. It will always happen.

For anyone to refute this - in spite of the 'after the historical facts' revelations attesting to it in books, documentaries, and interviews - is to be in denial.

None of the above makes Trump a nice person, or a decent person, or a morally upright person - but as reprehensible as he may be, none of the above make him the 'Devil Incarnate' either, and - current allegations aside - he has not broken the law.

Unlike the equally abhorrent, if not more abhorrent, Hilary Clinton.

And where Trump's many disgusting vocal gaffes show a 'state of mind' which is morally questionable, Clinton's track record is peppered with ACTUAL illegal, immoral and downright unethical actions - this shocking video in the OP being merely the latest of them.

I need not dissect and analyse the video content - it is plain enough for all impartial members who possess an objective mind, to see, but I will ask
Which is worse:

An historical video showing a now famous, wealthy, and powerful PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE boastfully TALKING - as a PRIVATE CITIZEN - about women in a sexually derogatory manner, including the possibility of marrying a 12 year old in ten years time?

Or an historical video showing a now famous, wealthy, and powerful PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE boastfully TALKING about how - as a DEFENCE ATTORNEY - she used deceitful and dishonest tactics to ensure that a depraved sexuallly deviant monster who she KNEW had raped and beat a little, innocent 12 year old girl to such a degree that she was in a coma, to EVADE his rightful and proper punishment under the law?

Trump is a turd, but he is only a very SMALL turd in comparison to the cess pit which is Hilary Clinton.

Of course, I support neither, so I can say this, unlike those who hate on here with such a ferocity that their views lose all objectivity.

I know this will not be popular, but it IS my opinion.