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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey
Interesting vid thanks 
This is pretty much Putins line of thinking too.He's been saying this forever.
The US/Britain funds these hardline sects to use for political/economic ends.A slice of the Middle Eastern pie and then has to go in and try and sort the **** out when these groups get too big and start to bite the hand that feeds them.
I can believe this since i think it's common knowledge that the US funded the Mujahideen in Afghan to fight the Communist Soviets and the Taliban grew from that.America created a monster.I mean the devout and backwards Islamic ideology was already there but America turned them into an organised fighting force.Al Qaeda I believe already existed outside of Afghanistan but moved their HQ there and 'worked' with the Taliban.I even heard somewhere(but wasn't sure if true) that Bin Laden got CIA training. |
We have done our fair share of colonial power to protect western interests. Imagine an Arab land trying to topple and replace our PM. As ludicrous as that sounds, that’s what we did in Iran, Iraq and Syria. We provided those newly formed governments with the resources by which they could crush any form of rebellion. The making of ISIS, which now controls an area roughly the size of the UK required enormous outside force to succeed. To establish themselves they required foreign money and the use of foreign fighters to aid them in their ethnic cleansing. We were cheering them on under a different name when they were plundering resources and carving out and occupying huge areas for themselves. In our eyes, they only became terrorists when they became big enough and strong enough to turn against us, but prior to that, they took lessons from the West in how to rule and conquer and that’s why they have been so successful.
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For me though all this western meddling doesn't negate that Islam and the words in the Quran is a backwards still medieval religion which hasn't caught up with modern values.Even Westernised Muslims must be fighting an internal ideological struggle between the contradictions between their holy book and modern Western values with more moderate Muslims being looked down upon as apostates by the more devout followers.
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Perhaps so but before we invaded Iraq, it was a very modern country with a vibrant well educated middle class. There’s no doubt that Hussain did run a repressive regime but economically he shared the oil wealth with his country that was re-distributed in forms of free health (they had top end Swedish built hospitals) free schooling and further education, good public transport, and state of the art shopping centers. Even outsiders who lived and worked in Iraq benefited from all this stuff. The West destroyed Iraq as a unified country and the result of that is, it has spawned extreme jihadism, terrifying war lords and millions of refugees. The West, along with the Iraqi ground troupes, who are now known as ISIS, wiped out everything the Iraqis previously took for granted.
We have to accept that we do not own Islam regardless of how backward we think it is… It was never ours to take and the taking of it has not only destroyed many millions of lives in their own countries but lives in our countries too and sadly, I think that’s going to continue for a very long time. That by the way, does not make me support revenge, just understand why its happening. Its not happening because they want to be like us, its because they don’t want to be like us.