[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by Retroman

Lol my statement wasn't to imply the bible could possibly be made by insane people, but more to point out that people/characters who we really didn't know, are to blame for the books presence in our world. And Im not sure Im willing to trust any faith to the book those men produced.

Blasphemous? it's all well and good claiming Im offending your beliefs, but perhaps your views are offending mine?
You can't make out Im condeming your religion because I disagree with it, unless you're willing to admit you're condeming my views too.

I told you what I believe, in the same way you told me what you believe...so I don't think we should be dragging blasphemy into the situation. Not unless I told you that you were wrong in what you believe.

As for insects/plants knowing they'll die, they don't have access to thoughts of such a level...plants don't have any "knowing" or "thoughts" at all, and insects aren't much better.

Animals know they'll die to a certain extent, their instinct tells them that if they're injured they may die...but their brains don't tell them that growing old = death. But I suppose you can argue that Im not an animal so how should I know? but neither of us are animals, so I guess our views on that are equally pointless lol.

Radio waves are scientifically proven, we know they're there because we can view them through technology.

"If you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole"

Im sorry but I think that was highly wrong of you to say. You're practically saying that because you believe in god, that means you're 100% right and I [a non believer.] need forgiveness for being blind.

You can't force your beliefs on me like that and tell me I need forgiving, that's not your place to do so sorry.

As for billions, there's only 6 billion people in the world...
Are you telling me billions of those are christians just like you? in todays world? most unlikely. Also, just because many people believe what you believe doesn't mean a thing, just as many people are non religious too =] or believe in different religions to you, so that's irrelevant.

"heaven and hell is there"
This is a debate. If you're wanting to debate, you can't pass off your own beliefs as truth like that...that's not how a debate works. Heaven and hell is there for YOU yes, but not for everyone. So that thought is best left in your head.

"nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us"

How do we officially know it's there? if only dead people can see it? that's impossible. Also, what magic rule allows this place to be visible to only dead people? how can that happen? you can't explain it..hence why I don't think it's true.

Have you noticed that everything that exists has an explanation? and all the things that don't exist such as santa/monsters etc have no explanation? and religion has no proper explanation either.

"To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion,"

So I guess you know gods ways do you? then please tell me his ways and how he works =]

I know fully about gods so called "ways" as all his "ways" are written down for all to see. Unless you're claiming you have had a godly experience where he revealed his ways to you...?
Otherwise you know as much about god as anyone else who can read.

i said your ideas bout the bible were almost blasphemous, i just assumed from what you implied that you were atheist and a non believer and were rubbishing the bible by pointing out that it could have been written by insane people which aint nice really how could a book which has been passed down through the ages and created such a following be written by insane people, i neverccould come up with that assumption now way man

you did offend my beliefs and anybody who shares my beliefs would be horrified at what you said its awful, how could you even come up with it retroman, what are you!! i dont care if i offend you in return, i dont care who i ofend as anyone saying insanity may possibly be in the mind of writings such as those has to be aitheist, evry thing you have said tells us that, shame on you

you say that insects and plants dont have the thoughts to know such things ii dont understand that either, nobody can say that as nobody is an insect/animal or plant. so if a tree gets hit by an axe and some bark falls off, the tree wont be feeling anything, nobody knows that,nobody so i wont be fooled no way

i mentioned radio waves as that example was said at school when a kid spoke bout God being invisible, so our teacher used that example i am sure the technology that you mentioned can prove it

anybody who is a true believer of God and belives the bible like i do and read what you are discussing would be a bit upset personally. i understand that, not very nice and upsetting. i am not forcing my beliefs onto you, i am just disgusted in some of what you are implying and suspecting, we can suspect that certain stories in the bible are nothing more than a made up story, but anything more than that opinion is almost blasphemy like i said it is. you are defo a nonbeliever and i am completely different and believe, so this discusuuion is going to be difficult on that basis

i said that you need forgiveness as i think you do really for not understanding faith and totally ignoring the feelings of billions of believers, i realise that many believers dont spend their entire lifes praying n stuff but in their own way, they do still believe and feel the presence of God in some way, also i dont care whether 6 billion people in world, that doesnt matter really, im not talking primelily bout christians either. what ever religion someone believes in their is always a God

i said that"nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us" cause its true, when you are alive we cant see our soul rise from our body and when your dead, that would be the only time youd find that out. I know that when things whch exist we have an explaniation but that is because its physiaclly there. Santa does exist, (remember children read forums) monsters like loch ness monster could have existed once but today it would be dead, perhaps one of the last remaining dinopsaurs

i read your last piece and all i can say that your aitheist views cannot comprehend what true believers know as real. god is real and god is there, you must have lost all of your faith or summin? any priest or vicar or nun would understand and the billions who feel the same are blessed and i do feel blessed while you obviously feel left out