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Old 30-10-2017, 06:02 PM #83
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Originally Posted by Oliver_W View Post
The only transperson I've ever known in real life was FTM, and he started transitioning at around 17. We were only "sort of friends", so I wasn't really in a position to ask personal questions which didn't come up organically, and we don't speak anymore, we didn't stay in touch after college ended, so I don't know how long he know he was trans. My other go to example for non-insane transpeople is Blaire White, who says she always knew she was different, but didn't necessarily have the words or frame of reference to say she was trans - an example she gives is that in kindergarten, when the teacher would say "girls go to this side of the room", BW would feel more inclined to go over to this side. She never really spoke of toys or clothes.

So to sum up, I'm not sure if a child can necessarily be trans, especially as a lot of "trans" kids grow out of it, but I do think the seeds are always there.
Yeah I would probably agree with this tbh. The thinking of somethings not right could be there in childhood I guess. I would still question though, wether this is because 'gender' was enforced on the kids too much. Ie. A kid felt they HAD to say they were a boy because their parents said trucks were just for boys and whatnot.

I also feel theres an element of internalized homophobia to a lot of 'transkids'. Better to be trans than gay kind of thinking, obviously put into them by the adults in their lfie at some stage.

The desire to 'trans' kids who just break gender stereotypes though, is extremely homophobic. And is entirely driven by adults with their own agenda. This is just inexcusable, and I am so glad people are starting to speak up about this now. Surprised its taken so long. It annoys me that I was firmly in the 'transwomen ARE women' (and vice versa...just its usually transwomen who dominate any discussions...you very very rarely hear from transmen for some reason) camp until recently, I admit that I had never thought any deeper into it all. And the second I did stop to think that 'maybe, just maybe the 'terfs' might have a point' was when I turned fully gender critical. All it took for me was an introduction to the cotton ceiling concept, and then seeing quite how prominent that view is...the view that lesbians who refuse cock are transphobic. Hell even some 'trans allies' will scream about this too.

I now feel that to say a transwoman is a woman, is damaging to trans people and women alike.

I genuinely do think that the world would benefit so much if these 'transgender' people who do NOT have sex dysphoria would just break the stereotypes of their own sex. For example, be proud of wearing a dress to work if you are male, rather than having everyone pretend that you wearing a dress makes you an actual woman. Do not shout and scream about how your penis is female and your dress sense means you should be entitled to enter sex segregated areas. Once more people start to do this, the less fuss will be made about gender.

Hell we got close to 'abolishing gender' in the 80s. With Boy George and David Bowie and the likes of Prince who people looked up to leading the way.... How did we go so backwards in such a short space of time? People today will claim that these people I mention were actually trans. Its ****ing stupid.
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