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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier
The toxic expectation of masculinity does exist but it's a society-wide expectation... with (in my experience) women being as likely to "expect men to be manly" or - at the very least - express an increased level of appreciation for "manly men" to the extent that being "unmanly" becomes undesirable. Men also do it to each other, obviously, but if you think about it, the only reason a man would be saying those things to another man is if they felt that expectation on themselves, too. I'm not "blaming women" for it or anything like that... I'm just saying that it's an attitude that seems to apply across the board. MOST of the problematic issues do, and that's another thing that has to be recognised before any real progress can be made. Another example on the flipside would be "slut shaming"... with women being just as likely to do it to other women as men are and, similarly to the "man up" stuff, I'd say in general women are MORE harsh on other women than men are BUT as with the above - you have to ask why that would be.
But really though all I ever come back to in thinking about it is that everyone needs to stop assigning blame and tackle the whole issue as one; with a view to establishing REAL, not forced, respect and equality between men and women. I do take issue with the bulk of feminism, and that's because I get the strong impression that the movement is more about retribution than it is establishing true equality, and any quest for retribution is going to include an element of vindictiveness that in turn is only EVER going to develop into further resentment, division, and inequality.
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Yes. I didn't say it was only men who are to 'blame'.
Breaking down sex stereotypes and expectations of these sex stereotypes (which are utter nonsense to most people) really should be priority for every damn person. Cause way too many issues.
Women are more harsh on women than men are as they have internalized misogyny..generally speaking. Slut shaming is almost exclusively done by women.