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Old 17-01-2018, 12:12 PM #9
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cORbyNs LeFTisT CLiQue!!


...I'm actually not a huge fan these days to be fair. I don't see why we can't have a genuinely, properly, centre oriented party that ALSO has a commitment to fair social policies to support low incomes and disabilities comfortably (meaning, not on a subsistence existence and also not piling pressure and stress onto people who need it least).

Basically we need a party that realises two things:

1) Capitalism isn't ideal and there are huge problems, but it's the only viable system we have and it's so ingrained at this point that we have to accept that there's no way to change the momentum behind it.

2) Capitism WILL INEVITABLY FAIL if we don't accept that some level - an increased level - of socialism is 100% necessary in the foundations of our economy to prop up the upper levels. People need to be able to live full, proper, engaging lives (buy homes, go on holidays, survive without getting into masses of debt) in low wage employment. It is as essential to right wing thinking as it is left.


Until people realise that our only current survival option is, paradoxically, right-wing economics with an increased focus on social policies that increase spending power and general life comfort, then we're kind of ****ed.

No matter how much you want to believe that people should only get to be comfortable / have spending power "later in life once they've werked rly hard" - Right wing economics does not function without consumers. People on low and low-middle incomes MUST have spending power. It's that simple.

But also, no matter how much you want to believe that we can have a fully inclusive and harmonious socialist society - we are WAY past that point and slamming the brakes on the system as it is, will collapse the entire things. Sure everyone can be equal... in that no one will have much of anything.

Basically... in order for there to be people that are doing well, there sadly have to be people who are not doing so well (right wing thinking - Corbyn doesn't like / doesn't get this). At the same time, in order to keep that system functioning, the people who are not doing so well have to be supported in such a way that means that they ARE doing well enough to live normal, comfortable lives (left wing thinking - the Tories do not get this and believe that a system that works for those nearer the top can function on the backs of miserable people indefinitely, which it cannot and will not).


Basically... there's really no one to vote for right now. It's an impossible situation that is potentially unfixable on a UK-wide scale. It COULD work on a smaller scale, e.g. for Scotland, but that ship has pretty much sailed now .
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