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Old 23-01-2018, 10:06 AM #3
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I just have to add here, I genuinely don't think that anyone on TiBB has ever been accused of racism for questioning mass immigration? It's really not about the stance, it's about the arguments used to justify that stance.

e.g.

"I'm against mass immigration because our country simply cannot economically handle the influx of people, we don't have the infrastructure" <-- Not racist in the slightest

"I'm against immigration because I'm worried about sleeper terrorists entering the country" - STILL not racist.

"I'm against immigration because I believe that most men from certain other cultures are violent and dangerous by nature and will attack and abuse people here" - getting kind of racist now



Also the idea that people don't "get to decide who is racist or not" - well, that's true, if you're talking in objective terms... but everyone is free to form their own view of someone, so it's perfectly reasonable for anyone to say to anyone else, "I find you to be racist". It's an opinion of someone... you DO get to decide that. It's really absolutely no different from saying "I find you snowflakey" or "I think you are too PC" or any other opinion that a person might have of another person. That opinion may or may not be factually accurate, but it is still "true that it is that person's opinion".

All that said; I find myself agreeing with what Ammi said earlier in the thread, and that labelling on both sides probably isn't helpful in any way. However... you can't really complain about someone calling you racist if you are happy to call them a snowflake, a "lefty", or PC... and vice versa.

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