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Originally Posted by Robodog

He raises the subject of LGBT issues a lot.
But what is he saying about it exactly?
What is his actual point?

All i hear is how he has a message but he hasn't really said what that message is?
You know what i mean?

He doesn't say "I think x,y or z should happen" or
"What we need in society is more this or less that"
There doesn't seem to be any goals or plans, just him simply raising the subject of LGBT.

OK sure, the subject is raised: so what about it then?

His only angle of any substance seems to be when he is questioning Ann's views.

So he's confronted and challenged Ann directly.
The conversations between them were always open, honest, mature and friendly. He always seemed happy with the outcome, even complimenting Ann on her honesty!
He tells her clearly they can have different viewpoints and still get on fine. Agreeable from both sides. Shake hands. Job done, right?

So what's the problem?

Somehow he comes away from her, turns it all over in his mind and rather than talk with Ann again, instead he attacks her views behind her back with other HMs, like he is trying to turn them against her.

How is that a positive message?

So what is his aim exactly?
That Ann should change her views and see things his way?
If so - why isn't he talking about it with her?
Pulling her views apart with other HMs is not going to change her views if she is not even there to hear or discuss it!!


As for raising LGBT issues in the wider community or mainstream society - again what is his message? He hasn't spelled it out.

I can only imagine that he means LGBT people should be equally as accepted and represented as anyone else in society?
Bit patronising and outdated - i mean do most of us not think that way already?
I mean this is the UK in 2018!
Look at our biggest and most loved TV stars for example - how many can you name!
Stephen Fry, David Walliams, Alan Carr, Graham Norton, Claire Balding, Sandie Toksvig, Paul O'Grady - who's Lily Savage drag act was even prime time TV 20 years ago! etc etc
And that's without even looking at our best-loved mainstream music stars of the last 40 years! (George Michael, Elton John etc)

So yeah the UK mainstream is really gay-friendly. Like nowhere else on earth. Has been for decades. We just like nice, funny and talented people - gay or not.

So seeing as the mainstream and the majority of people in the UK already embrace LGBT people as part of our own shared ONE community - what is the message?
To convert every single 'non-believer'?
Sounds a bit like religious fanaticism!
Like the Spanish Inquisition or Christian Missionaries in Africa
"Think like me or be damned!"
There will always be minorities that think differently on ANY subject.
Can't make everyone think the same.

Will he not rest until Ann says:
'Oh Shane! I'm Sorry! I renounce ALL my religious views, Courtney is wonderful no matter how she dresses or acts, lets put on some Lady Gaga and do slut-drops together'

Does he expect her (and others like her) to agree with him 100%?
My way or the highway?
"I want you to respect and agree with ME, while at the same time i don't have to respect or agree with YOU"
Is that it?

So what is it all about? Really?

Like i said yesterday:

Is Shane using himself to in order to promote LGBT issues?
Or is he using LGBT issues in order to promote himself?


Answers on a postcard.

Well said,

A postage stamp more preferably