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Old 22-03-2018, 05:22 PM #2
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Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
I don't understand your logic here how can you apply reasoning to misogyny and not racism or homophobia?

'they see women as lesser, not deserving of respect, open to being made their victim.'

Are not the explanations for all three practically identical?
They're not, but I can't think of any way to explain it differently so .

IF a man were to attack a woman for NO other reason than that she's a woman... then that would be a hate crime. It's just very unusual for that to actually happen. The vast majority of male-on-female attacks are either domestic abuse related, or sexual in nature. Muggings are also not hate crimes, they are financially motivated crimes, but that point is largely moot here as men are actually far more likely to be victims of mugging than women.

It's a hate crime when hatred is the motivation. Whether that's against women or minorities. A group of guys jumping a gay man because they noticed a fat roll of £20's in his wallet and want to take them is not a hate crime. A group of guys jumping a gay man because they saw him kissing his boyfriend and it made them angry is a hate crime. Likewise, a man attacking women because he's been rejected or something and has now decided that he simply hates all women and simply wants to hurt them could be called a hate crime... but a man attacking a woman he knows in an argument (the most common type of assault) is very unlikely to be a hate crime, and a sexual assault is a sexual assault. They're not "less serious" offences - I think this seems to be what some people are getting worried about - it's just a definition of the type of crime. A hate crime could be something as simple as someone being spat at or destruction of property. A domestic incident can range all the way up to murder in terms of seriousness. It's not about "how bad it is", or throwing the word "HATE!" at it to make it seem "more bad".


Then again, people don't seem all that bothered about actual definitions these days and are happy to clutter up language with their own ideas. "I'm gonna call X, Z because I think that X is Z... even though X should only be X, and actually was Y all along, but I wanna call it Z so it's Z."
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