[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well yes that's why I think it's not being announced particularly loudly - if the message in the media is "catching it and recovering is as good as the vaccine" then a lot of reckless younger people will decide that they might as well just do that, being at low risk, which would obviously be an absolute disaster for health services and the vulnerable.

In theory though, if it does "get away from us", it makes a very strong case for vaccinating the elderly and vulnerable first which I think is indeed what most places are doing.

Also immunity doesn't mean a "Covid passport" because I believe they think that immune people who are exposed (both vaccinated and natural immunity) can still potentially pass it on to others... So social distancing measures etc. can't really end until we're sure that there's a high level of immunity in the population.


The major benefit with this though, is that we can still achieve the levels needed for herd immunity even if there's a large percentage who refuse the vaccine, which was a worry before.

Yeah and I suppose people who do refuse the vaccine will probably be younger people with no underlying conditions so hopefully the elderly and vulnerable and health care workers will all be protected, I couldn't see many of the more at risk groups refusing it

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I read that immunity was 5 months only?

At least 6 months in the study they've done but that's because the study started 6 months ago - levels of antibodies present at 6 months suggest they are likely to still be high enough to prevent infection after years. This has been (quietly) breaking over thale last 48 hours or so. Like I said, I very much understand the reason it's not the big bold front page headline.

Its also just after initial study but very promising results.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah and I suppose people who do refuse the vaccine will probably be younger people with no underlying conditions so hopefully the elderly and vulnerable and health care workers will all be protected, I couldn't see many of the more at risk groups refusing it

You would think... But my wife has been chatting to her old WhatsApp group from her previous workplace and they've told her that two of the staff there (out of a staff of 7) are refusing to be vaccinated... And it's the two oldest staff, in their 50's, working face-to-face with the public every day! Health professionals

There is SADLY a huge group of middle age+ people who "want to see if othernpeople get side effects" before they're willing to get jabbed.

These are people who have been offered vaccines and could have had them weeks ago. And said "Nah".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You would think... But my wife has been chatting to her old WhatsApp group from her previous workplace and they've told her that two of the staff there (out of a staff of 7) are refusing to be vaccinated... And it's the two oldest staff, in their 50's, working face-to-face with the public every day! Health professionals

There is SADLY a huge group of middle age+ people who "want to see if othernpeople get side effects" before they're willing to get jabbed.

These are people who have been offered vaccines and could have had them weeks ago. And said "Nah".

If I was either a health care worker or in a vulnerable group I'd be getting it as soon as I possibly could

[Nicky91]

some of vaccinated people here in Netherlands (with Pfizer vaccine) had complaints of side effects, specifically around the place of where the jab was set

i just heard last night on our late night news here

[jet]

I think I'd continue to wear one in crowded places, like buses or trains - apart from that, hell no.

[Samm]

nah but I do think it’s a good idea if people just feel ill and want to go out and go shopping or whatever, but don’t think it should be mandatory

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

some of vaccinated people here in Netherlands (with Pfizer vaccine) had complaints of side effects, specifically around the place of where the jab was set

i just heard last night on our late night news here

What kind...a sore arm? Thats kinda par for the course depending on he expertise of the person administering the jab

[Cal.]

I think it’ll be the social norm to wear them out and about if you’re ill which I don’t mind!

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What kind...a sore arm? Thats kinda par for the course depending on he expertise of the person administering the jab

yes, and also headaches

[Josy]

No I definitely wont.

I will though be a lot more aware of social distance and I think itll be a very long before I'm comfortable being in a large crowd at gigs etc

[parmnion]

Maybe on a first date.

[Marsh.]

It will probably remain mandatory for masks in shops etc for a long while after the vaccine roll out anyway before gradually easing off.

[Ammi]

..I might do at certain times, for people who use busy tubes/public transport etc...some might feel that they want to continue...?...I don’t really much do ‘crowds’ anyway but in crowded situations, some may want to continue...

[Kizzy]

Maybe not masks but I was always a bit of a germophobe. .not ocd or owt but working in a high traffic area it just makes sense to wipe down periodically. So will just carry on as I was.

[caprimint]

Lol yeah nah.