[Denver]

Loreen has confirmed she will not hand Isreal the trophy and a number of Spokespeople who were scheduled to give out their countries votes have now decided they won't take part

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Denver

Loreen has confirmed she will not hand Isreal the trophy and a number of Spokespeople who were scheduled to give out their countries votes have now decided they won't take part

Israel exposing the bigots and antisemites

we love to see it

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Denver

Loreen has confirmed she will not hand Isreal the trophy and a number of Spokespeople who were scheduled to give out their countries votes have now decided they won't take part

So these people are encouraging bullying of one of the contestants?

This sounds a lot like the end run of The X Factor.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

So these people are encouraging bullying of one of the contestants?

This sounds a lot like the end run of The X Factor.

Is it bullying? Isreal should not even been there and there has been confirmed situations of the Isreali delegation bullying and harassing other contestants

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's not the Israeli singer's fault though.

The way that she has been treated has been disgraceful, the people that have treated her like dirt should honestly be ashamed of themselves.

I have no issue with people being anti-Israel in terms of not liking Netanyahu/the Government, but a singer competing on the Eurovision Song Contest should be treated with basic Human decency.

The fact that I am having to say such a basic thing is shameful.

She’s an open supporter of their genocide, anybody that condones and celebrates the murder of 14,000 children deserve all the criticism and ridicule they receive

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

She’s an open supporter of their genocide, anybody that condones and celebrates the murder of 14,000 children deserve all the criticism and ridicule they receive

Go to bed Liam

This is about a song contest

Jesus wept

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

anybody that condones and celebrates the murder of 14,000 children

When did she do that?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

When did she do that?

Never I expect ....

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Denver

Is it bullying? Isreal should not even been there and there has been confirmed situations of the Isreali delegation bullying and harassing other contestants

I'm objecting to the treatment towards the singer.

If the Delegation is doing anything wrong then fair enough, but it doesn't appear to be bad enough to get the Police involved at least.

And I do agree with you that the Government of Israel is bad, just like Hamas are also bad, I think that just needs to be put out there, both groups are bad.

But I'll always say this, an individual shouldn't be being judged for what their country's Government is doing, and that's such a slippery slope to go down that so many people are looking for any excuse to justify being nasty towards a singer.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

She’s an open supporter of their genocide, anybody that condones and celebrates the murder of 14,000 children deserve all the criticism and ridicule they receive

Do you believe that she'd be allowed to say otherwise?

And besides, even if she does support her country's actions, she will probably be emotionally thinking about October 7th for starters.

Plus a lot of people (and maybe she falls into this category,) are very patriotic towards their leaders, and don't want to believe the worst about them, there are a lot of people like that across the world, and they would support atrocities as well if it were their country committing the crime. But on many other topics they might be lovely people.

My point being that it doesn't necessarily make these people evil, and I certainly don't believe that justifies some people wanting to physically harm her.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

When did she do that?

I'm going to think that he has at least heard about it from a reputable source tbf.

[Nicky91]

NPO and AVROTROS file an official complaint against Joost's disqualification, and want to bring the EBU to court

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

NPO and AVROTROS file an official complaint against Joost's disqualification, and want to bring the EBU to court

I am interested to hear their side of the story tbh.

[joeysteele]

Weren't the police called.
What did they do or say.

If he's not charged for anything yet, why should he be disqualified.
Surely security could ensure no further incidents, whatever this incident really was.

Or is this more about him showing some negativity to Israel.

As Mock says, it will be interesting to see what comes from this.

However, if nothing really comes from it at all.
Then his disqualification is wrong.
I actually think it was anyhow.
In the absence of even police recommending same.

The organisers have made an almighty mess of Eurovision this year.
It was wrong to remove a Nation voted in by the public to the finals from the final itself just a few days later.

The Netherland's should have been able to perform.
After all the hard work to get there.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Weren't the police called.
What did they do or say.

If he's not charged for anything yet, why should he be disqualified.
Surely security could ensure no further incidents, whatever this incident really was.

Or is this more about him showing some negativity to Israel.

As Mock says, it will be interesting to see what comes from this.

However, if nothing really comes from it at all.
Then his disqualification is wrong.
I actually think it was anyhow.
In the absence of even police recommending same.

The organisers have made an almighty mess of Eurovision this year.
It was wrong to remove a Nation voted in by the public to the finals from the final itself just a few days later.

The Netherland's should have been able to perform.
After all the hard work to get there.

I agree. There was no need to disqualify them. A warning would have been enough.
I hope Netherlands sue and win.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm going to think that he has at least heard about it from a reputable source tbf.

Very charitable.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

NPO and AVROTROS file an official complaint against Joost's disqualification, and want to bring the EBU to court

Good. I hope they win. There was no need to kick Netherlands out.

[bitontheslide]

with tensions already high, the last thing the organisers needed was someone stirring up trouble. They were absolutely right to take the action they did

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I agree. There was no need to disqualify them. A warning would have been enough.
I hope Netherlands sue and win.

Exactly a warning would have been more appropriate.

Then any future incidents for more action.
Absolutely.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

with tensions already high, the last thing the organisers needed was someone stirring up trouble. They were absolutely right to take the action they did

all thanks to Israel

[Nicky91]

us dutchies will have our revenge though


we will destroy the EBU through many lawsuits