[BJ]

cost £30 onLF to Mario

[flamingGalah!]

He's a con man, simple as...

[fizzy]

what a con. But could it be to cover costs, and still not be for profit?

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by fizzy

what a con. But could it be to cover costs, and still not be for profit?

I doubt a village hall & DJ would cost that much, plus bottles of Tesco Value lemonade (no alcohol allowed apparently)... probably costs no more than £1000 at the most for one of these "parties"... He'd make a pretty penny no doubt... enough anyway to support his wife & 4 kids & fund frequent trips around the world...

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by fizzy

what a con. But could it be to cover costs, and still not be for profit?

It could be but then they are in serious trouble working as a 'non-profit org' and would be in serious trouble with a lot of tax people!

I have worked in non-profit orgs like this and helped put on concert/ministry type events.
This is the general rules how it works:

- The more people the more work is required. If there is 1,000 people arriving to it paying 30 a piece that is '1000 times the work, people, expenses'

Keep in mind these things often take months to plan and develop and organize.
In our case there may be five people who have put in 40 hours of work into the concert BEFORE it happens.
- We have already spent 3000 on everything from radio promotion, posters, writers and on and on. The building we are writing, planning, producing in costs money. the lights cost money. rent costs money.
This is BEFORE the concert event.

There are lots of things to be dumping money on even BEFORE anyone arrived. Venues, equipment, lighting, whatever,
and,
so there is the overall 'administration' costs but then the actual costs of actual event itself,
but,
wow you always get killed on all the incidentals including everything from last-minute hotel expenses, taxis, finding out there needs to be a 'first-aid' kit on premises (just crazy stupid things),
but,
keep in mind after all this is said and done there is no persons that 'take the profits'.
There is not such thing where we 'split the earnings'.
Of course not.
The money goes into the ministry where the elected board has voted on paying the bookkeeper x, paying the IT people x, paying the manager x,
then,
the Pastor is paid x-per month.
now what?
Well you see it will be another 3 months before we have another event. So staff is paid.
Some are paid monthly. From what?

ElProximo, you're a Dave fan (tho from the way you're defending him and explaining his gigs maybe I should i say disciple?) - there is nothing I can say that would change your mind.

No, I am an opponent of his cult group and think their Sloshfests not only do harm to those involved (including David),
but,
are shameful to Christianity and hurt the Church.

At the exact same time I am not a moron who thinks this means I should just accuse him of crimes for no reason.
In fact, falsely accusing him of crimes is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to opposing what is ACTUALLY WRONG.

In fact, this 'con-man' campaign is likely to backfire on you people AND actually 'help' David,
why?
how??
Because you made this 'money con' your cause. You picked the wrong fight.
After this David may very well show everyone that he and his family have SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY far more than he ever made from the Ministry,
and,
in fact he will show he probably gets paid something close to 'minimum wage' if you actually calculate the hours he works to his meager pay.
This will make him look great.
Make you look stupid.
It will seem that the detractors got 'pwned' and look silly and David and the Crowderites look like 'Winners'.

Meanwhile, nobody has spoken to the ACTUAL problem of their self-delusions, infatuation with being high and drunk, shaming the Church or falling into dangerous cult practices etc etc.

Your helping that happen by picking the wrong fight.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No, I am an opponent of his cult group and think their Sloshfests not only do harm to those involved (including David),
but,
are shameful to Christianity and hurt the Church.

At the exact same time I am not a moron who thinks this means I should just accuse him of crimes for no reason.
In fact, falsely accusing him of crimes is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to opposing what is ACTUALLY WRONG.

In fact, this 'con-man' campaign is likely to backfire on you people AND actually 'help' David,
why?
how??
Because you made this 'money con' your cause. You picked the wrong fight.
After this David may very well show everyone that he and his family have SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY far more than he ever made from the Ministry,
and,
in fact he will show he probably gets paid something close to 'minimum wage' if you actually calculate the hours he works to his meager pay.
This will make him look great.
Make you look stupid.
It will seem that the detractors got 'pwned' and look silly and David and the Crowderites look like 'Winners'.

Meanwhile, nobody has spoken to the ACTUAL problem of their self-delusions, infatuation with being high and drunk, shaming the Church or falling into dangerous cult practices etc etc.

Your helping that happen by picking the wrong fight.

Wise words, but I think they will fall on deaf ears.

[flamingGalah!]

I fail to see how opening peoples eyes to how he is conning cancer victims etc...& showing him for the moron he is can HELP him... Surely if everyone says how wonderful he is & what a great job his "church" is doing he is going to gain followers...

But yeah, whatever...

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by BJ

cost £30 onLF to Mario

No discount for mates then, or does that include an excess for the Save and Replace task.

[BlackOrWhite]

And...?

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by BlackOrWhite

And...?

They don't even get any booze!

[fingers]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

They don't even get any booze!

If they wanna get high they get to sniff St. Dave's Bible.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by fingers

If they wanna get high they get to sniff St. Dave's Bible.

Nah he doesnt let anyone else handle that. He does let people sniff his monk's costume though.

Its a filthy habit.

[bigbrothermfer]

im going

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by bigbrothermfer

im going

You should come too mine its 5quid cheaper

[BJ]

So you have to pay to worship with Dave's crew

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by BJ

So you have to pay to worship with Dave's crew

Oh yes. He charges a similar amount to cure cancer too apparently...

[fingers]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Oh yes. He charges a similar amount to cure cancer too apparently...

Wonder what it costs to regrow a leg, or do you get a discount if you need two?

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by fingers

Wonder what it costs to regrow a leg, or do you get a discount if you need two?

£30 per leg or £50 per pair by all accounts...

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Oh yes. He charges a similar amount to cure cancer too apparently...

Libellous crap!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Libellous crap!

Not so, all claims mentioned have been broadcast via BB/ You Tube, infact these claims re: re-growth of Limbs, curing Cancer etc .. ARE' Libellous crap', they slander the Church and Faith and God he professes to Love.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

Not so, all claims mentioned have been broadcast via BB/ You Tube, infact these claims re: re-growth of Limbs, curing Cancer etc .. ARE' Libellous crap', they slander the Church and Faith and God he professes to Love.

Where does he actually say that he charges for it? That is what the poster said! If he hasn't said that anywhere, which I don't believe he has - then it is libellous!

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Libellous crap!

Is it?? How would you know? Unless you "work" with Dave of course...

Bring on the lawyers...

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by BJ

cost £30 onLF to Mario

That would just barely cover the costs of venue rental, equipment rentals and throw in transportation and refreshments etc.

If there was any left over to pay David's salary he would most likely look at the time he invested and find out he made far less than minimum wage 'per hour' spent on it.

The problem isn't 30 quid.
The problem is inducing youth into trance-states, psychosomatic aberrations and learning that 'being high/drunk' is some kind of ideal state of mind for a Christian.

[fivecougz]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

That would just barely cover the costs of venue rental, equipment rentals and throw in transportation and refreshments etc.

If there was any left over to pay David's salary he would most likely look at the time he invested and find out he made far less than minimum wage 'per hour' spent on it.

The problem isn't 30 quid.
The problem is inducing youth into trance-states, psychosomatic aberrations and learning that 'being high/drunk' is some kind of ideal state of mind for a Christian.

There were about 700 people at his last event.
700 x $30 = $21,000, a ****load more than enough to cover venue hire and lighting.

Everyone puts bread on the table by various means - most of us have a job. Dave just chooses to rip off the gullible, that's all.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by fivecougz

There were about 700 people at his last event.
700 x $30 = $21,000, a ****load more than enough to cover venue hire and lighting.

(beside the point but I could just about promise you 700 did not pay 30 but lets say they did...)

I don't know but why are you so certain that is an ****load more than enough to cover venue, lighting etc?

The next thing is to find out what's left after expenses and see how that is worked out.
For example:
Lets say they are left with 15 after expenses. This goes into the Ministry (it does go to Davids pocket).
That gets divided out into all kinds of expenses even to a bookkeeper other staff, whatever business expenses they have,
they do things like buy new printers for the ministry, pay for posters.

Keep in mind they have to use this to start promoting, planning their next event.

After that a certain % goes to paying their Pastor (David) who (for the sake of argument) may get paid 1,600 a month.
He gets his monthly salary of 1,600 and they may be quite happy they have enough to pay him for the next 6 months.

This is just a typical example of these things. One thing I am certain about is that it DOES NOT work that David is like a Club Owner/Promoter who simply gets 'the profits'.
Doesn't work like that at all.

Keep in mind, if a Club Promoter did this nobody would call the Promoter a 'Con Man'.
They would say 'Yeah.. guy put on a concert and made x-amount'.

But in Davids case it would not work that way. If we found out it did - he would surely be in the Diary Room talking to some tax people right now heh.

Everyone puts bread on the table by various means - most of us have a job. Dave just chooses to rip off the gullible, that's all.

They are not gullible. They love attending these things, believe in it with as much passion as David and are happy to chip in their 30,
and,
for them the 30 is WELL WORTH the event. They are delighted they paid ONLY 30 for a concert they loved.

Put it this way:
What was the last concert you attended?
Did you get 'ripped off'?
Are you 'gullible'?
Was the band/singer a con-man?