[Aduk]

Shocking - far too many extreme candidates in UKIP for me.

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/ne...t-of-candidate

[arista]

[A UKIP candidate standing in Oldham is at the centre of controversy after calling for mosques to be knocked down and Islam to be banned. ]


Yes I assume she will not get picked

[Cherie]

I thought it was just the Eastern Europeans they were going after. So knock down places of worship for British citizens born and bred eh? great tactic.

We should cover the mosques in huge burqas, so us proud Englishmen don't have to see foreign muck in our country.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Aduk

Shocking - far too many extreme candidates in UKIP for me.

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/ne...t-of-candidate

Are you suggesting that free speech is wrong and that only views that reflect your worldview should be tolerated?

and that your worldview is right and any that do not reflect your views are "extreme"?

[Aduk]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Are you suggesting that free speech is wrong and that only views that reflect your worldview should be tolerated?

and that your worldview is right and any that do not reflect your views are "extreme"?

I am not suggesting free speech is wrong and nor do I think only views that reflect my world view should be tolerated.

However, there are limits to free speech, and I don't believe free speech should be used as an excuse to be racist, homophobic and discriminate against fellow human beings in any manner. I strongly feel that any civilised, democratic society has to observe limits to free speech to protect rights and civil liberties of others.

This is not about my world view being right - it is in fact about morals and the fact that any reasonable person would come to the conclusion that the UKIP candidate in question was plain racist.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Aduk

I am not suggesting free speech is wrong and nor do I think only views that reflect my world view should be tolerated.

However, there are limits to free speech, and I don't believe free speech should be used as an excuse to be racist, homophobic and discriminate against fellow human beings in any manner. I strongly feel that any civilised, democratic society has to observe limits to free speech to protect rights and civil liberties of others.

This is not about my world view being right - it is in fact about morals and the fact that any reasonable person would come to the conclusion that the UKIP candidate in question was plain racist.

Tell that to Choudary and the crew.

[JTM45]

I think the OP was just stating that with views like that UKIP is not the party for them.
I saw no mention at all of them not being allowed to voice their views.

While there is still a majority of decent, reasonably intelligent people in the UK they'll never get into power anyway so let them knock themselves out spouting their idiocy.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by JTM45

I think the OP was just stating that with views like that UKIP is not the party for them.
I saw no mention at all of them not being allowed to voice their views.

While there is still a majority of decent, reasonably intelligent people in the UK they'll never get into power anyway so let them knock themselves out spouting their idiocy. :hugesmile:

Unfortunately I think they have growing support, there seems to be a body of thought that the current parties need a kick up the ass (true) and that electing a few UKIP MPs is the way to do it. (not true).

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JTM45

I think the OP was just stating that with views like that UKIP is not the party for them.
I saw no mention at all of them not being allowed to voice their views.

While there is still a majority of decent, reasonably intelligent people in the UK they'll never get into power anyway so let them knock themselves out spouting their idiocy.

By accusing them of low intelligence and their policies as idiotic you appear no different

in fact you assume superiority simply by name calling

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

By accusing them of low intelligence and their policies as idiotic you appear no different

in fact you assume superiority simply by name calling

I'm voicing an informed opinion, not name calling.
If people have idiotic views (in my opinion) then going by your "free speech" point it's my right to call them as i see them, or are you contradicting yourself ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JTM45

I'm voicing an informed opinion, not name calling.
If people have idiotic views (in my opinion) then going by your "free speech" point it's my right to call them as i see them, or are you contradicting yourself ?

No you are contradicting yourself

[Livia]

Despite these gaffs, UKIP is gaining support like a rolling snowball.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Despite these gaffs, UKIP is gaining support like a rolling snowball.

Its not surprising if you look at the combined readership of the DM, the DE and the SUN/STAR

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its not surprising if you look at the combined readership of the DM, the DE and the SUN/STAR

Not to mention screw-up after screw-up by the Tories/LibDems/Labour.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Not to mention screw-up after screw-up by the Tories/LibDems/Labour.

and the fact that farage is a likeable rogue that appeals to huge swathes of England in a sort of Al Murray Pub Landlord way

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and the fact that farage is a likeable rogue that appeals to huge swathes of England in a sort of Al Murray Pub Landlord way

Yes... in his party election broadcast, he was leaning on the bar of a country pub, beer pumps behind him. He's not stupid... It was on the local news here yesterday that they'd had another public meeting somewhere Anglia - missed where exactly - and there was a traffic jam and queues of people trying to get to the place. The last public meeting they had in my local town was oversubscribed by a lot, and loads of people who turned up couldn't get in. Can't imagine a public meeting for any other party being oversubscribed.

I don't think the other parties quite grasp the extent of the shellacking they're going to get on 22nd May.

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and the fact that farage is a likeable rogue that appeals to huge swathes of England in a sort of Al Murray Pub Landlord way

Farage and likeable in the same sentence. l-o-l.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Livia

Despite these gaffs, UKIP is gaining support like a rolling snowball.

And that is absolutely terrifying in my view.

[GiRTh]

UKIP are not the voice of the average man in the street

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

UKIP are not the voice of the average man in the street

You could say that about all the political parties.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

UKIP are not the voice of the average man in the street

The problem is so many hate Labour or Conservative
as they are very much the same on many things.


Farage on those 2 TV debates was great
the public liked him even if they are not
voting UKIP

[Scarlett.]

I hope Nigel Farage and his crappy party fall down into an open manhole and are never seen again.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I hope Nigel Farage and his crappy party fall down into an open manhole and are never seen again.

No it seems to help them.


Lets see at the Vote this month

[Vicky.]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ial-media.html

Another here too..