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Abhorsen · 15-07-2010, 04:32 PM

When Baldwin went into the house he did NOT promote a money making scheme, he simply put forward his beliefs.

Other religious people have been in the house, none of them were selling anything using their 'faith' as a promo tool.

But Dave and his friends are a business, they arrange gigs 'meetings' that sell tickets at £30.00 plus a go, and CDs and other items.

Ch4 is simply giving Dave a chance to promote his business interests. And his business interests should be investigated, does Dave pay tax on his income? There is no Charity registration number on his websites.

CH4 should not be allowing HM in the BB house who are there to promote a scam.

flamingGalah! · 15-07-2010, 04:33 PM

The con man should NEVER have been allowed on TV...

chuff me dizzy · 15-07-2010, 04:34 PM

This is EXACTLY why he is in there ,MONEY ,and just think all the brainwashed/braindead who have believed his"Indian orphanage" BS ,will have been donating while he has been in there bleating on about it ,hes a FRAUDSTER

arista · 15-07-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Abhorsen

When Baldwin went into the house he did NOT promote a money making scheme, he simply put forward his beliefs.

Other religious people have been in the house, none of them were selling anything using their 'faith' as a promo tool.

But Dave and his friends are a business, they arrange gigs 'meetings' that sell tickets at £30.00 plus a go, and CDs and other items.

Ch4 is simply giving Dave a chance to promote his business interests. And his business interests should be investigated, does Dave pay tax on his income? There is no Charity registration number on his websites.

CH4 should not be allowing HM in the BB house who are there to promote a scam.

Ch4 do not see it like that
They have lawyers , that sought it.

watchinittoomuch · 15-07-2010, 04:35 PM

It's only a scam if you dont believe, or know it to be completely false..now while you or I might not, I honestly think Dave believes every word he says...and therefore doesnt see it as peddling anything, more like spreading the word

fingers · 15-07-2010, 04:35 PM

out and out Charlatanism aimed at the vulnerable teens and twens brigade.

BigBrotherfan4ever · 15-07-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

The con man should NEVER have been allowed on TV...

Well said, totally agree, cant stand the man.

fingers · 15-07-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Ch4 do not see it like that
They have lawyers , that sought it.

Arista knows EVERTHING!!!

:huge smile:

vesavius · 15-07-2010, 04:38 PM

It's true that The New Ecstatics seem to be a profit motivated organisation (Dave talks about his friends making hundreds of thousands of pounds from their ministries) but the real threat here is that C4 are giving a platform to a potentiolly destructive cult that could cost people years of their lives.

I personally think they thought they were just putting a 'laughing drunk monk' in there, I honestly don't think they considered the wider picture of who he is and what he represents.

fingers · 15-07-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

It's only a scam if you dont believe, or know it to be completely false..now while you or I might not, I honestly think Dave believes every word he says...and therefore doesnt see it as peddling anything, more like spreading the word

If he really believes all the crap he spouts then he is in dire need of psychiatric help, preferably in a secure institution

fingers · 15-07-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius

It's true that The New Ecstatics seem to be a profit motivated organisation (Dave talks about his friends making hundreds of thousands of pounds from their ministries) but the real threat here is that C4 are giving a platform to a potentiolly destructive cult that could cost people years of their lives.

I personally think they thought they were just putting a 'laughing drunk monk' in there, I honestly don't think they considered the wider picture of who he is and what he represents.

I go along with that!

watchinittoomuch · 15-07-2010, 04:41 PM

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If he really believes all the crap he spouts then he is in dire need of psychiatric help, preferably in a secure institution

If you put it like that it applies to every religion...miracles are the hardest thing in the world to believe....yes every Christian leader truly believe Christ walked on water and turned water into wine....feed the five thousand with a couple of loaves and fish...it all sounds bonkers when you really look at it.

fingers · 15-07-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

If you put it like that it applies to every religion...miracles are the hardest thing in the world to believe....yes every Christian leader truly believe Christ walked on water and turned water into wine....feed the five thousand with a couple of loaves and fish...it all sounds bonkers when you really look at it.

Most of them however, don't look on their "Donations" as their own private pension fund.

eviled2010 · 15-07-2010, 04:46 PM

He's a Snake oil Salesman in the classic mold. History is full 0f them.
It's a sad indictment of this country's education that critical thinking isn't part of the curriculum.
Dave has demonstrated diddly squat supernatural knowledge or gifts in that house yet he has at least one housemate enthralled by his BS and others willing to sit around thinking they are having serious discussions about demons, angels and all sorts with him.
It's pathetic.

vesavius · 15-07-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

If you put it like that it applies to every religion...miracles are the hardest thing in the world to believe....yes every Christian leader truly believe Christ walked on water and turned water into wine....feed the five thousand with a couple of loaves and fish...it all sounds bonkers when you really look at it.

The difference here is that Dave is telling us that supernatural happenings are happening everyday and that these events are fact, yet he offers no solid proof (nothing in fact past his own anecdotal stories).

watchinittoomuch · 15-07-2010, 04:52 PM

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Most of them however, don't look on their "Donations" as their own private pension fund.

Hmm...the Catholic Church is probably the biggest money maker of them all, and like every money making organisation you cant say for 100% sure that every penny is spent where it should be or that every person 'in charge' has altruistic motives..

I'm just trying to say that while I dont believe the stuff he speaks, I really think he does...and because I cant do that double quoting malarkey, to the last person who posted after me, I think you'll find that ALL religions tell their stories and believe their doctrines and scriptures to be fact, and tell them as so...that's the point, they believe their faith is fact....and can any of them prove anything? Not one...which is why there are so many people without faith.

Abhorsen · 15-07-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

Hmm...the Catholic Church is probably the biggest money maker of them all, and like every money making organisation you cant say for 100% sure that every penny is spent where it should be or that every person 'in charge' has altruistic motives..

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Dave is a con man, no actual church would go near him.

watchinittoomuch · 15-07-2010, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Dave is a con man, no actual church would go near him.

Maybe not, but you cant just assume that the only reason he does this is to line his own pockets...the man knows he has put himself out there to be ridiculed by everyone, he's not Machiavelli he's just some bod from Wales. Myself, I'd wait to hear some horror stories of people who had been conned out of cash before I decided he was a con man, but that's just me