[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14513517

Historian David Starkey has told BBC's Newsnight ''the whites have become black'' in a discussion on the England riots with author and broadcaster Dreda Say Mitchell and the author of Chavs, Owen Jones.

He also hit out at what he called the ''destructive, nihilistic gangster culture'' which he said ''has become the fashion.''

Yeah, he's right ..... it ain't the colour, it's the culture .....

[Lee.]

It was almost like watching an episode of the office, I was cringing that much!

I really did find it offensive!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by happyland

It was almost like watching an episode of the office, I was cringing that much!

I really did find it offensive!

I find most of David Starkeys comments offensive,very few people I feel like that about but I just think he's a bigoted, prejudiced loudmouth.

Why he is invited onto TV so much is a mystery to me.Awful man.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I find most of David Starkeys comments offensive,very few people I feel like that about but I just think he's a bigoted, prejudiced loudmouth.

Why he is invited onto TV so much is a mystery to me.Awful man.

Because the BBC Producer spoke
to him about what he would say
and they knew it would be a Hit
even after the event.

[Livia]

I'm not really siding with him... but... In my local market town the majority of the young people talk in that pseudo-black way that seems to have wiped out all other indiginous accents amongst young people. Most of the young people in that town have probably never had a conversation with a real black person. Know what I'm saying... innit.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not really siding with him... but... In my local market town the majority of the young people talk in that pseudo-black way that seems to have wiped out all other indiginous accents amongst young people. Most of the young people in that town have probably never had a conversation with a real black person. Know what I'm saying... innit.

Yes thats the point he made

[Stu]

I seriously hope Starkey knows that Ali G wasn't a real person.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Stu

I seriously hope Starkey knows that Ali G wasn't a real person.

Yes he does.

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes he does.

[Crimson Dynamo]

In London the feral white youths sound like black youths and copy their clothes and culture

[Grimnir]

Youtube video

Chris Rock sums it up through comedy
and the people he talks about can be white, black, brown, yellow or pink

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

Youtube video

Chris Rock sums it up through comedy
and the people he talks about can be white, black, brown, yellow or pink

That is racist

[Omah]

Iain Duncan Smith: Crackdown on gangs should happen in all areas at the same time

People convicted but not jailed for rioting could be stripped of benefits under plans considered by Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith.

He said he would prefer it that such an approach, if adopted, was carried out by the courts and not the government.

Currently, those jailed lose benefits but other punishments, like community service, do not prompt such a loss.

The welfare secretary said he would like to see a system in which benefits were removed as part of the judicial process.

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We already accept that if people who are receiving benefits do not, are not prepared to seek work, take the work that's available to them, we take the benefit off them. And if you go to prison we take your benefit off you.

"So what we're looking at is, for criminal charges, should we take the benefit? And the answer is yes."

Mr Duncan Smith said he believed most people would recognise that "the first lesson you learn is that, when you do something willingly and you set out to do it that is criminal, then you must bear the consequences of what you do".

Asked about the welfare secretary's comments, Mr Cameron said: "He has my full support".

That may be a step too far - prisoners have their welfare taken care of (at considerable expense) but depriving those on community service of benefits serves no purpose except to encourage further "liberation" of others' goods - they should, of course, be deprived of any "privileges" .....

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Omah

Iain Duncan Smith: Crackdown on gangs should happen in all areas at the same time



That may be a step too far - prisoners have their welfare taken care of (at considerable expense) but depriving those on community service of benefits serves no purpose except to encourage further "liberation" of others' goods - they should, of course, be deprived of any "privileges" .....

No take there benefits away,that will teach them what poor is.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

No take there benefits away,that will teach them what poor is.

They already know what poor is. You do know benefits cover the bare essentials of what you need to survive? On JSA you get about Ł50 a week(or did when I was on it about 4 years ago, probably a little bit more now).

And again, taking what little they have in the first place away from them, will just make crime much much worse. They will HAVE to turn to stealing etc. just to eat

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

They already know what poor is.

They look well fed to me,and they have clothes,so IMO they arent that poor.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

They look well fed to me,and they have clothes,so IMO they arent that poor.

All had expensive trainers and mobile phones.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

They look well fed to me,and they have clothes,so IMO they arent that poor.

What a strange way to look at things.

You think all poor people walk round naked?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

No take there benefits away,that will teach them what poor is.

I see where you are coming from jf and you know I near always agree with you, however,If you take thier benefits away and make them homeless is that going to stop them commitiing crimes or is it likely to make them even more likely to commit crime,this time though, as Vicky says, not just of just pure greed but partly to survive.

Time I think is needed to make sure this gets done fairly and right, if the govt does as it says it will, continue to force cuts in the Police force, then criminals will have more easier access to crime.

Maybe its time to go right back to the drawing board and find out how best to end these kind of riots and crime not jump straight into polices that will likely inflame the situation and so mean much more crime.

[Vicky.]

Yeah, because having nothing at all wont make them turn to more crime at all will it. Except this time they will NEED to steal

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah, because having nothing at all wont make them turn to more crime at all will it. Except this time they will NEED to steal

I watched Ian Duncan Smith today on the news, I found him to be very uncompromising.

As you say the only possible outcome of such a move would have likely more crime committed.
I am beginning to think this Govt is way too extreme,there is alsways a middle way to try before suce extreme measures.
I don't agree with much Cameron is saying at present and also Theresa May, she needs to make her mind up whether she supports the police at all or doesn't. She seems all in a mess at present.A terrible Home Secretary.

Ian Duncan Smith is wrong on this, not to rule it out for the future, but not now as a knee jerk reaction.
I have no respect for the Lib Dems but I hope they stop this nonsense in its tracks and quickly too with their 57 votes in Parliament.
The Govt can get nothing passed without Lib Dem votes.this could be a way back for them to procedd with caution rather than haste.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The Govt can get nothing passed without Lib Dem votes.this could be a way back for them to procedd with caution rather than haste.

I didnt know that. My knowledge of politics is slim to none. In that case I take it the lib dems sold out about the uni fees? Since that was (or I believe it was) their main selling point for the vote?

On topic, they will probably sell out again and just bow down to what the tories want. Spineless bastards.

This is not the solution at all. It will make things 100x worse. Why the **** cant someone who actually has brains be in power?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Why the **** cant someone who actually has brains be in power?

Maybe if more people took more of an interest in politics instead of moaning about the government, things would be different. Politics affects every part of everyone's life and yet so many people say "politics doesn't interest me". Most people couldn't even name their MP let alone their local councillor, and yet they work for you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe if more people took more of an interest in politics instead of moaning about the government, things would be different. Politics affects every part of everyone's life and yet so many people say "politics doesn't interest me". Most people couldn't even name their MP let alone their local councillor, and yet they work for you.

is true. What you local council is doing will affect you much more than big govt. Your local planning office will have a lot more impact in your life in 2011 than any inner city looting.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe if more people took more of an interest in politics instead of moaning about the government, things would be different. Politics affects every part of everyone's life and yet so many people say "politics doesn't interest me". Most people couldn't even name their MP let alone their local councillor, and yet they work for you.

I do not need to have knowledge of politics to know that this is a really stupid idea that will do more harm than good. I would think that was just common sense. Apparently not.