[waterhog]

would you give a day's pay to help Africa ?

empty your pockets,
calling is Africa,
people are dieing,
worst hit is Somalia.
forget comic relief,
that will not scrape,
the war lords are hungry,
they need to eat well to rape.
to shoot and kill,
gun's it dose require,
Britain is a supplier,
talk about add fuel to the fire.
year after year,
the problems will never erase,
because just like the propaganda of aid,
the givers are desperate for praise.
we need to go in,
set up and remove the cause,
feed the people in need,
unlike Iraqi, we will get applause.
10 years from now,
Africa will still be deceiving,
because from all round the world,
the help for the corruption they are receiving.

(i watched this debate on the wrightstuff debate this morning and i came to the conclusion that it dose not matter how much aid we give while they have a corrupt government help will never reach the people. is the joe being to hard and unkind on this issue ? or have i got a point ?)


ps can not wait for bb to start its soon lol

[King Gizzard]

If the government agreed to pay the same for every person that done it then yeah sure

[Pyramid*]

No. done so many time in the past - and still it continues so pouring money in is not a solution.

Harsh perhaps, but there it is.

[King Gizzard]

We could try get rid of these clueless idiots that run these countries, start with Mugabe..oh whats that? no oil? That's a no then!

[spitfire]

No.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Nate

We could try get rid of these clueless idiots that run these countries, start with Mugabe..oh whats that? no oil? That's a no then!

Possibly sterilising the women after say 2 babies....that could be a start.

[ElProximo]

Convinced to stop contributing after some discussions with a former 'receiver' of Aid in Zimbabwe. He was part of the big well-known Christian charity on the Africa side of things and in his case teaching (and administration of food and about 20 other jobs hehe).

Anyways, I became convinced that donating to Africa is actually causing more harm than good.
I don't pretend I know a solution either. I just know that, good intentions aside, this seems to be backfiring and possibly what we do there contributes to never-ending strife and long-lasting political problems.

One possible solution worth considering:
Basically divide up large sections of Africa to be colonized. Drive all the inhabitants into a corner of Africa.
But you see what i mean is not really 'colonizing' but simply take the countries and evict everyone.
After about 20 years those countries would become modern '1st world' places.

I mean just a thought to consider.

[Pyramid*]

Amina Mohammed, 25, is nine months pregnant, due to give birth any day

Amina has four children, and also cares for two orphaned boys she picked up on her 15-day walk from Balhathawa in Somalia.

Surrounded by her children Shamsa, 6, Ahmed, 4, Abdi, 3, Abdinasir, 2, and orphaned brothers Abdinasir, 11, and Shire 7

About to give birth to her 5th child.

My heart breaks for the children being brought into the world by parents who cannot feed those that they already have, but yet, continue to breed like rabbits - and doing nothing but add to their own problems.

time to take stock. Time for a bit of 'If you can't help yourself..... why expect others to continually bail you out' attitude.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1Tm9fPJfF

[Livia]

It's hardly fair to castigate women, and surprising coming from a woman. Women have more babies in developing countries for a number of reasons; their culture, ignorance of contraception and the fact that women in those countries are largely powerless. For many of them it's not a choice to "breed like rabbits". Many of them have no control over their lives, no access to healthcare or education and a number of them die in childbirth, or from complications related to childbirth.

I would not give a day's pay to Africa. If only the money that has been so freely given in the past had reached those who need it most... but it hasn't. When they sort out the way the money is distributed and what it's spent on, I will give. I am not contributing to yet another private plane for an African despot.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's hardly fair to castigate women, and surprising coming from a woman. Women have more babies in developing countries for a number of reasons; their culture, ignorance of contraception and the fact that women in those countries are largely powerless. For many of them it's not a choice to "breed like rabbits". Many of them have no control over their lives, no access to healthcare or education and a number of them die in childbirth, or from complications related to childbirth.

I would not give a day's pay to Africa. If only the money that has been so freely given in the past had reached those who need it most... but it hasn't. When they sort out the way the money is distributed and what it's spent on, I will give. I am not contributing to yet another private plane for an African despot.

You think it surprising that one woman can see the failure to control birth rates in undeveloped countries with decades of famine behind them and should not suggest sterilisation after a woman has borne one or two children as a possible solution?

I'd call that an intelligent solution. Being a woman doesn't mean I have to share the desire to allow women to continue breeding and bringing more mouths into the world than they can already feed, clothe, etc.

The reason so many die in childbirth - or children die young is down to the very lifestyle they are living: in famine and destitution. Much of all that is connected would slow down and cease. It's long known that the usual methods of contraception are shunned. If they can't help themselves in some way.....

[joeysteele]

I am at Uni, if I was working then I would be willing to donate a days pay to help stop Children dying, they don't ask to be brought into the World and it is horrendous to me that Babies are being born anywhere to be left to starve to death as Children.

I have contributed to these causes in the past but I am tired of the same problem arising month after month,year after year.
There should be one main charity to focus on this issue, so that all resources are in one place. However to donate to this cause should demand that it goes 'directly' to those in need of it.
If it cannot get there then no, I would not be willing to donate more.

The argument in the current problem is that the Somalian rebels won't let aid through.
That being so then, really the other Nations around the area should ensure these rebels are despatched forthwith and that aid can get through to those who need it.No more funds going to the richest or politicians of these Countries to use for other purposes.

I hate to see the film of Children dying of starvation, however a lot more needs to be done to enforce strict regulation as to where aid goes, also the problem of continually having Children that cannot be fed should be stopped, if it's a Church issue,(such as contraception) on that then the Church needs to back off on that too or it then itself take on the task of feeding these Children born to die.

People are generous and genuinely I am sure the vast majority hate to think of any child dying for the want of food and medical help but all Nations need to ensure and show that all donated funds and aid does go 'directly' to those who need it and also those who do donate need to see the results of their contributions too.

[Vicky.]

Nope. It doesnt actually help.

[Boothy]

I prefer to save up a couple of thousand pound and go on one of those volunteer trips. At least then you know where your money's going.

[Lee.]

Yeah I would.

[Josy]

No I wouldn't.

[InOne]

Nah, not if I wasn't emotionally attached

[tmi]

I maybe shot in the the foot, but I think it would be better to educate these people about sexual education , I know it may be against they're religion . Women have numerous children and they have no way or means of educating ,
supporting them, if they should be handed out condoms it would stop the spread of Aids as well, these people have been having this problems for over 50 years , they need education to learn how to support themselves and the tools to do it. I would be willing to hand over a days pay if they could educate these people
of the above. We send all this aid and in another decade they will still be in the same boat, I think something has to be done , or sterilize them after 2 children. China have done this. The world be soon be over populated, ask the bigwigs in the banks to hand over half of they profits. It's funny how things turn out the bigwigs get they bounses but people in the banking sector losing jobs and people having they pensions cut, oh this country needs fixing as well, the banks caused the debt in the first place by handing out loans to people they probably knew couldnt afford it. My father once said look after the pennies and the pounds will take care of themselves.

[Harry!]

Only if I could see exactly where my money was going.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No

we should give no aid to africa or india or pakistan or any of the 3rd world

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No

we should give no aid to africa or india or pakistan or any of the 3rd world

At all?

What about those hit by tsunami for example. Plenty of countries regarded as Third World but who don't have over population and famine ravaging their country..... so why no aid to them?

[Vicky.]

I wonder if anyone would help us if...say a tsunami hit us. Unlikely to happen yeah, but interesting to wonder. I cant see it myself tbh.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wonder if anyone would help us if...say a tsunami hit us. Unlikely to happen yeah, but interesting to wonder. I cant see it myself tbh.

Hey the thing is we bend over backwards to help other countries, no is the answer, we are too nice and thats why we are laughed at, we should be stronger country when it comes to immigration, benefit cheats etc. Like Australia when we have enough people living in Britain we should shut the gates to more immigrants, they are allowed to have houses and benefits and the people who pay in the system get fark all. Also dont get me started on the nanny state .

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wonder if anyone would help us if...say a tsunami hit us. Unlikely to happen yeah, but interesting to wonder. I cant see it myself tbh.

I think the usual allies would certainly chip in. wouldn't be good for old world politics if they didn't.

[_Seth]

One day's, yeah.

[Redway]

I'd like to point out that the whole of Africa isn't dying of starvation - it's only Somalia. In regards to the question, I would.