[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...row-backs.html

Margaret Thatcher once made a virtue of her refusal to climb down when she said "the lady's not for turning", but as her successors in the Coalition announce their latest volte-face, hear is the full list of government u-turns:

1. Destruction of buzzard nests

2. Pasty tax

3. Caravan tax

4. Secret justice

5. Euro veto

6. Employment law reform

7. Joint strike fighter

8. Sentencing

9. Health reforms

10. Forest sell-off

11. State retirement age for women

12. Anonymity for rape defendants

13. Personal photographer on public payroll

14. Free school milk cuts

15. Bookstart funding

16. Financial Inclusion Fund

17. Housing benefit cut for jobless

18. Immigration pledge

19. Coastguard cuts

20. Circus animals ban

21. World Service cuts

22. Mobility benefit cut

23. Youth Justice Board

24. Chief coroner

25. Knife crime sentencing

26. Domestic violence protection orders

27. Ofsted snap school inspections

28. Child benefit

29. Video games tax relief

30. NHS targets

31. Plans to recall MPs

32. Charity Tax

Totally vacillating .....

[Kizzy]

They make me sick, I can't believe they get away with it...We are bombarded with spin so we can't see what's going on right under our noses

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

They make me sick, I can't believe they get away with it...We are bombarded with spin so we can't see what's going on right under our noses

Yeah, the Tories certainly first-class obfuscaters .....

[Livia]

Better a rethink and a u turn than to plough ahead with something regardless. If Blair had taken on board public opinion over the war in Iraq and done a u turn it might have shown some strength of character, rather than an obstinate disregard for the people who elected him.

[Kizzy]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...-errors-uturns

Mistakes in the budget had left the government "ploughing into a brick wall", the prime minister has admitted as he defended successive U-turns, but he insisted the government overall was showing "resolve, strength and grit".

well we can quote the guardian all we like, doe's not make it right.... imo.
resolve, strength and grit?....delusional ....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

Better a rethink and a u turn.

Not just "a" u-turn, but 32 costly turn-arounds - the pasty-tax, and many of the others, was clearly not thought through - with most of the world at war, either with others or amongst themselves, and the global economy in primary economic meltdown, the government should not be wasting time and money on bashing then un-bashing small businesses, charities and grannies .....

[Shaun]

legislative process in "not that straightforward" shocker

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Better a rethink and a u turn than to plough ahead with something regardless. If Blair had taken on board public opinion over the war in Iraq and done a u turn it might have shown some strength of character, rather than an obstinate disregard for the people who elected him.

Bang On Right

[Kazanne]

At least it shows that they listen to people and not plough on regardless,better some uturns than a government that does just what IT wants and lands us in deep economical ****e!good comment from Livia there if Blair had listened to us many people would still be alive and not facing these war zones.

[Omah]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...-cuts-distrust

David Cameron's flagship "big society" project is at risk of being derailed by savage cuts to grassroots voluntary groups and a collapse in trust among the very people the government expected to deliver its vision, according to an independent audit of the first two years of the initiative.

The report concludes that the so-called "big society" lacks a clear vision and strategy and is in danger of becoming "an initiative for the leafy suburbs", despite the prime minister's championing of a policy he described at its Downing street launch in 2010 as something he hoped would be "one of the great legacies" of his government.

What he giveth with one hand, he taketh away with the other (and hopes you don't notice) .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kazanne

At least it shows that they listen to people and not plough on regardless,better some uturns than a government that does just what IT wants and lands us in deep economical ****e!good comment from Livia there if Blair had listened to us many people would still be alive and not facing these war zones.

What Party took us to the Falklands, which cost the UK 255 men, six ships (ten others suffered varying degrees of battle damage), 34 aircraft and Ł2.778 billion?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

What Party took us to the Falklands, which cost the UK 255 men, six ships (ten others suffered varying degrees of battle damage), 34 aircraft and Ł2.778 billion?

No Omah

The Falklands was Invaded



Blair with Bush Invaded Iraq using a falsehood
he is a Fecking War Criminal.

[Livia]

The Falkland Islands, populated by people who have expressed a wish to remain British, was invaded. That's not the same in any way to our involvement in Iraq. The majority of the British public supported the Falklands campaign, not so with Iraq. In any case, that's a whole different argument.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Falkland Islands, populated by people who have expressed a wish to remain British, was invaded. That's not the same in any way to our involvement in Iraq. The majority of the British public supported the Falklands campaign, not so with Iraq. In any case, that's a whole different argument.

Who brought Blair and the war with Iraq into the thread?

That's a whole different argument, too ?

Re the Falklands - Thatcher let the Islands be invaded ..... conflict could be have been avoided, or at least deferred, but Thatcher wanted a war to boost her popularity. That's a whole different arguement, too.

Meanwhile, this Tory government's obfuscation and vacillation continue while the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Expect more lies, deals and smokescreens in the coming weeks.

[arista]

"Thatcher let the Islands be invaded "

Omah stop talking Rubbish.

It was invaded
we had no way of knowing it was going to be invaded.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by arista

"Thatcher let the Islands be invaded "

Omah stop talking Rubbish.

It was invaded
we had no way of knowing it was going to be invaded.

Oh yes we did :

1973 Peronist government returns in Argentina and renews claim of sovereignty at UN.

1977 Group of Argentinian sailors landed on Morrell, South Sandwich Islands for 'scientific research'.

Autumn 1977 Argentine naval manouvers alarm British. Callaghan responds with two frigates and an SSN; Argentine activities subside.

In 1981, Argentina saw inflation climb to over 600%, and GDP fall by 11.4%, manufacturing output by 22.9% and real wages by 19.2%. The trades unions were gaining more support for a general strike every day and the popular opposition to the Junta was growing rapidly.

President Galtieri, as head of the military government, aimed to counter public concern over economic and human rights issues by means of a speedy victory over the Falklands which would appeal to popular nationalistic sentiment. Argentine intelligence officers had been working with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to help fund the Contras in Nicaragua, and the Argentine government believed it might be rewarded for this activity by non-interference on the part of the United States if it invaded the Falklands. The Argentine leadership had noticed that during the Suez crisis 1956 the USA had objected to the British use of force, that in 1981 the UK reached agreement with the former colony Rhodesia and that 1961 Indian Annexation of Goa was initially condemned by the international community and then accepted as a fait accompli.

Argentina exerted pressure at the United Nations by raising subtle hints of a possible invasion, but the British either missed or ignored this threat and did not react. The Argentines assumed that the British would not use force if the islands were invaded.

According to British sources, the Argentines interpreted the failure of the British to react as a lack of interest in the Falklands due to the planned withdrawal (as part of a general reduction in size of the Royal Navy in 1981) of the last of the Antarctic Supply vessels, HMS Endurance, and by the British Nationality Act of 1981, which replaced the full British citizenship of Falkland Islanders with a more limited version.

24/1/82 Consideration of Junta's plans to recapture islands first revealed in a series of articles in La Prensa newspaper.

3/3/82 PM Thatcher urges preparation of contingency plans in case of increased Argentine hostility towards islands.

19/3/82 Davidoff's party of scrap metal workers lands on South Georgia: Britain issues formal protest

25/3/82 Situation on South Georgia escalates with the arrival of armed personnel in military uniform from Argentine ship Bahia Paraiso.

26/3/82 The Junta decides on military action. The British Ministry of Defence advises against a military response and reminds Lord Carrington of withdrawal of HMS Endurance.

[arista]

"1973 Peronist government returns in Argentina and renews claim of sovereignty at UN"


Yes but that Nazi
never had that Island.

It was the Spanish that Owned it
and sold it.


You are crazy.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by arista

"1973 Peronist government returns in Argentina and renews claim of sovereignty at UN"


Yes but that Nazi
never had that Island.

It was the Spanish that Owned it
and sold it.


You are crazy.

You are taking this thread way off topic with your irrelevant assertions and unwarranted insults.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

You are taking this thread way off topic with your irrelevant assertions and unwarranted insults.

I do not mean to insult you.
But on The Falklands
we will never agree.


So I agree to
drop it.

[Omah]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz1wm0YQyJA

Even those with low expectations of this Government have been shocked by the shambles it has become in recent days.

Three significant U-turns on the Budget would have been bad enough: but other developments have exposed a Government with no coherent direction, exhibiting almost universally poor judgment, and swimming increasingly out of its depth.

It is hard to decide which minister’s reputation is now the most tattered.

George Osborne, the Chancellor, was supposed to be his party’s, and the Coalition’s, master strategist. But any pretence of strategy has been shattered now that his Budget lies in ruins only ten weeks after its delivery.

It has suffered an unprecedented number of U-turns which have contributed to a total of about 35 such reversals across all government departments since the Coalition took office.

Harsh, but fair .....

[Kizzy]

The phrase 'plough on' has been done to death too.... To me it has come to symbolise 'bumble on and hope nobody notices we don't have a fecking clue'
They are a complete sell out!
murdock and beecroft .....they are the puppet masters , have been for a long time.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

The phrase 'plough on' has been done to death too.... To me it has come to symbolise 'bumble on and hope nobody notices we don't have a fecking clue'

Exactly .....

[Omah]

Government postpones planned 3p fuel duty

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18588855

The government has announced it will postpone its 3p-a-litre rise in fuel duty in August until January next year.

The move follows a campaign by road users' groups, who argued the increase would damage the economy.

Fuel duty will be frozen for the rest of the year, Chancellor George Osborne told MPs, adding that this would benefit families and businesses.

Labour, the SNP, Plaid Cymru and MPs from other parties had threatened to force a Commons vote on the issue.

The Sun newspaper and several Conservative MPs have also been pushing for a change of heart, amid concerns that prices at the pumps are squeezing living standards.

In last year's Autumn Statement Mr Osborne cancelled a scheduled 3p rise in fuel duty for January this year but said another planned rise this August would proceed - although it would be cut from 5p to 3p.

A Downing Street spokesman said the issue had not been discussed at Tuesday's cabinet meeting, adding that it had been "under consideration" for some time.

Last week Prime Minister David Cameron said the planned duty rise would be "looked at", but held out little hope for a delay, saying: "I think people sitting at home know that the government doesn't have a bottomless pit of money."

Clueless Cameron really ought to spend more time on the job and find out what his minions are up to - making rash and unsustainable commitments is the trademark of this incompetent Tory government .....

[arista]

Yes Great News
Far better than Former Unelected PM Brown.

They take note of the public
and change the plans.

Far better than the Mess of 13 years of New Labour

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Better a rethink and a u turn than to plough ahead with something regardless. If Blair had taken on board public opinion over the war in Iraq and done a u turn it might have shown some strength of character, rather than an obstinate disregard for the people who elected him.

Bang On Right