[kirklancaster]

I had another 'weird' experience of 'synchronicity' on New Years Eve day, which I wasn't going to post because of much heated controversy when I posted similar incredible but perfectly true phenomena in an earlier thread, but because this incident was followed by an equally weird example of 'Deja Vu' yesterday morning, I cannot resist posting for your comments.

The first example of 'synchronicity' was witnessed by 6 people, and the second of 'Deja Vu' was witnessed by my wife and her sister.

On the morning of the 31st of December, I was 'chilling' at home with my wife and two other couples, and at around 12.30 I switched the T.V. to the racing channel for me Dean and Ben to watch while our three partners went into the kitchen to make coffee and snacks where they remained to carry on chatting.

Dean had already placed horseracing bets that morning at his home via his online bookies account, but none on any races at Punchestown in Ireland, and I had not even looked at horseracing for weeks.

Then the 1.45 race at Punchestown came on and my attention was immediately drawn to the rank outsider in the field - a horse called; 'He'llberemembered' at odds of 33/1. I had a persistent strong intuition that this horse was going to win and I told Dean to back it.

I have had these inexplicable strong intuitions many times before and I immediately went onto my own online account and placed an each way bet on the horse at 33/1 even though there was a strong 7/4 favourite in the field and despite there being only 2 places.

Dean knows all about my 'intuition' as he's been my friend for years, so he used my laptop to place a sizable win bet on the horse as he never backs each way.

And here comes the really weird part; just before the race was due to be off Dean went to the downstairs cloaks which was through the kitchen and through the utility room, and as he walked past the women who were seated chatting over coffee, he overheard his own girlfriend saying; "yeah, but he'll be remembered for all the right reasons".

Now, Dean knows all about 'synchronicity' from me and has witnessed many occasions when it has happened, so he immediately doubled back and told us about what had happened as he hurriedly placed another win bet on the horse. He then continued to the toilet.

(It later transpired that the women had been discussing Cliff Richard and the damage the sex allegation had on his image.)

Dean returned as the runners were off and he jokingly warned me that I'd better be right with my 'intuition' and my theories on 'synchronicity'.

The race was quite eventful; the strong favourite fell, and our 33/1 rank outsider was in a thrilling finish with 'Sadler's Risk' - a strongly fancied 7/2 shot - only to lose by a 'head' in a photo finish and come second.

I was OK each way, but Dean had lost, and though he was quite philosophical about it and blamed himself for not backing it each way at those huge odds, he did 'rib' me about my intuition that the horse would 'win'.

Now here's the perfectly true, really weirdest part of all - later that day, it was announced that the horse who had won the race; Sadler's Risk, was disqualified due to having carried 4lb less weight than he should have, and the runner up, 'He'llbe remembered' was promoted to winner.

The ensuing cheering from my front room could have been heard a mile away, and the girls came in to see what the fuss was about. Marie - Dean's girlfriend - was so pleased that she had played a part in this win that she immediately commandeered most of his winnings.

Here's the result copied and pasted from the Racing Post:

Race Result Punchestown Wed, 31st Dec, 2014
2m. 4f. Hurdle.

1st hd He'llberemembered (IRE) 11-9 (Mrs Mary Lett)
SP 33/1
P G Fahey
J J Burke(3)

settled behind leaders, slight mistake 3rd, left 3rd at 5th, mistake 4 out, slight mistake 3 out, ridden into 2nd entering straight, challenged last, disputed run-in and kept on well, just held home (promoted to 1st)

Now, I wasn't going to relate the above true incident, because of being called everything from a liar to an over imaginative dreamer in my last genuine post on synchronicity, but Dean, Marie, Ben, Hayley and my wife all say that they will join TIBB just to confirm this - and other weird occurrences they've witnessed with me and synchronicity (for want of a better term), then a very real incident of 'Deja Vu' which occurred yesterday determined me to 'post and be damned'.

My wife Tracy, and Marie and me, were sprawled (on separate sofas) watching a film - 'Con Air' with Nicolas Cage - when Tracy made a remark about John Malkovich who plays 'Cyrus The Virus. I immediately had that strange sensation which we call 'Deja Vu' and told them so, adding that the postman comes and pushes a huge amount of mail through the door, and within a minute that's exactly what happened; the postman came and huge amounts of mail thudded onto the hall floor through the letterbox.

Synchronicity and Deja Vu. Reasonable, non-aggressive responses please, especially from anyone who has also experienced these phenomena too.

[Ammi]

...hmmm, I don't know what your theories are on this..synchronicity/deja vue ..I know we've all probably experienced these things and it does feel a bit weird but I think for everyone that there are just times in our lives where things align like that and because it does feel a bit spooky, we remember them and take note of them but for the majority of time, these things don't happen but those times are just not of any note because of that...I can't give an explanation about the horse race because I believe that sometimes 'odd' things just happen and not everything can be explained..and with your mail...well, after the hoidays and delayed post, it would have probably been one of the busiest mail days and also New Year is a huge time for junk mail etc and just end of year stuff to come through..?..I do totally believe you btw..I don't think you have anything to 'prove' and it's also what you believe to be the reasons for what happened...

[Northern Monkey]

I agree with Ammi.This stuff happens to me loads.With me it's usually stuff on telly.I'll be talking to my girlfriend and someone on telly will say the exact word i just said at around the same time.Or i'll hear a word that i've hardly ever heard before and then i'll hear it 3-4 times on the same day in different places.It happened to me in early December quite a few times,I think i even posted on here about one incident in a thread.My girlfriend told me i should pick the lottery numbers.Honestly though...I just put it down to coincidence.I'm quite a skeptical person generally with things.I believe certain things but this stuff and religion and ghosts etc i don't.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmmm, I don't know what your theories are on this..synchronicity/deja vue ..I know we've all probably experienced these things and it does feel a bit weird but I think for everyone that there are just times in our lives where things align like that and because it does feel a bit spooky, we remember them and take note of them but for the majority of time, these things don't happen but those times are just not of any note because of that...I can't give an explanation about the horse race because I believe that sometimes 'odd' things just happen and not everything can be explained..and with your mail...well, after the hoidays and delayed post, it would have probably been one of the busiest mail days and also New Year is a huge time for junk mail etc and just end of year stuff to come through..?..I do totally believe you btw..I don't think you have anything to 'prove' and it's also what you believe to be the reasons for what happened...

Thank you Ammi,

Some scientists say 'Deja Vu' is merely a delay in the perception of 'data' by our senses and the processing of it by our brains, but that does not explain the occurrence of this phenomena when other individuals are not only present but are part of it.

It is - as you say - so widespread an experience that I feel it is dismissed too readily.

As to 'intuition' and 'synchronicity' - this too is far more widespread than most would believe and there have been many notable studies and books written on the subject, but again, it is a very real phenomena which is too readily dismissed.

We all know and have experienced 'sixth sense' moments in our lives; thinking of someone we haven't seen for years when the phone rings and it's them calling, suddenly and inexplicably calling off going to a party only to find out later that your 'worst enemy' surprisingly attended etc, but we dismiss it as 'coincidence' (a nice convenient word if ever there was one).

I know that some non natural (I desist from saying 'supernatural') phenomena exists which we term 'synchronicity' and I know another non natural force exists which we call 'intuition', but neither can really be explained away in purely orthodox scientific terms.

I once received a £10.00 free bet on my 'Paddy Power' account, and as it was an unexpected bonus and not my own money, I indulged myself and backed horses with it strictly according to my intuition regardless of form etc.

I ended up winning over £1,500 by way of 90% continuously winning small each way bets. (Can be proven)

I have sadly, also wagered my own loot in the distant past purely on my intuition and lost, because - as I now know from much experience - such a 'force' comes in cycles and is impossible to predict or control - - if only I could.

Once again, however, the statistical success rate when my 'intuition' is in full flow far exceeds given accepted 'chance' expectations, and cannot readily be dismissed or explained away as coincidence which is something entirely different.

Perhaps only gamblers can fully understand the significance of backing a horse to win a race, when its odds are 40/1 because its form figures read; Pulled up, Pulled up, Fell, Pulled up, Fell, Last, Fell, and there is an odds on favourite in the field and others with impressive form figures, only for the 40/1 shot to win.

Anyway, Ammi, thanks for your feedback - intelligent, informed, relevant, and non-aggressive as always.

[arista]

[Some scientists say 'Deja Vu' is merely a delay in the perception of 'data' by our senses ]

For Sure

Youtube video

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I agree with Ammi.This stuff happens to me loads.With me it's usually stuff on telly.I'll be talking to my girlfriend and someone on telly will say the exact word i just said at around the same time.Or i'll hear a word that i've hardly ever heard before and then i'll hear it 3-4 times on the same day in different places.It happened to me in early December quite a few times,I think i even posted on here about one incident in a thread.My girlfriend told me i should pick the lottery numbers.Honestly though...I just put it down to coincidence.I'm quite a skeptical person generally with things.I believe certain things but this stuff and religion and ghosts etc i don't.

Thanks Paul.

Have you ever sat and seriously thought about just what 'coincidence' is Paul? It's one of certain 'terms' which we have come to accept to explain away phenomena of which a lot is inexplicable within the parameters of accepted science.

I think you may be actually more 'receptive' to 'non-natural' forces than you think.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

[Some scientists say 'Deja Vu' is merely a delay in the perception of 'data' by our senses ]

For Sure

Youtube video

What?

A delay in the 'perceiving and processing' of data by our own senses and brains is perfectably feasible to answer why we personally may feel we have experienced an exact given situation before, but how can it account for a situation where other people outside our own personal physiological processes are involved - especially where dialogue with such people ensues, during which a prediction is made of an event specific to the 'Deja Vu experience, which is then fulfilled?

People forming an external reality as part of a Deja Vu experience are independent of our physiological processes and not subject to any anomalies therein, so there's absolutely no way that such an experience can be explained away by 'science'.

[Ammi]

..ok, I have loads to do and you're distracting me, Kirk....so I'll just make this little one last post at the moment...

..I guess I can't really understand the analogy used with the horses because I don't understand the betting principles as such or 'intuition' bets etc..?...my son has a friend who is somewhat brilliant at maths and sciences...I mean really gifted...anyway..he dropped out of uni because he had a huge success with poker and so decided to proceed with that professionally...he had huge wins and was in all of the big world poker championships etc and made many hundreds of thousands in his very young life..now the thing with that was that he never felt 'lucky' as such or ever had instincts but his skills were merely mathematical because he was so gifted so it was all basically calculated...?..that doesn't mean that he never lost though because you can never totally work out every scenario etc so obviously he had huge losses as well...anyway..maybe there is a similar 'mathematics' which could also be applied with horse racing and the outsider bet..?..(or whatever it's called..)...but because you believe in intuition/sychronicity etc...you've accepted that and haven't explored any further, that you indeed more have quite a gifted mathematical brain and without realising it...these are not 'hunches' but something worked out by that brain and obviously with unpredictability..you'll still win some and lose some, type thing...?...hmmm, it's interesting....

..with what Paul said...I do think that our minds at certain times more than others are attuned to hearing or seeing a certain thing and noting it more than at another time and there would also be lots of reasons for that..but then having heard that something etc....we then stay attuned and alert to hearing it repeated and think....wow, that's odd...but it may be that others have said it around us lots of times or we have seen it on TV etc but other factors with our thought processes or things that have been in our minds at that time mean that we haven't actually heard it/or our brains haven't acknowledged it..?...

...sorry it's a rushed post and I hope it makes sense/I have so many chore to do......


..I'll be interested to read lots of thoughts in this thread though....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jesus H Kirk, every betting punter does this - its the same as a granny betting on a National Horse with the same name as her postman as he reminds her that morning to bet and the horse wins.

I very much doubt you would ever post on here about the ones that did not win but you had a similar "feeling in your water"

People only remember the things they want and forget all the rest.




"déjà vu as caused by a person having a brief glimpse of an object or situation, before the brain has completed "constructing" a full conscious perception of the experience. Such a "partial perception" then results in a false sense of familiarity"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9j%C3%A0_vu

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Thanks Paul.

Have you ever sat and seriously thought about just what 'coincidence' is Paul? It's one of certain 'terms' which we have come to accept to explain away phenomena of which a lot is inexplicable within the parameters of accepted science.

I think you may be actually more 'receptive' to 'non-natural' forces than you think.

To me,Coincidence is just 'chance'.With only so many words in our vocabulary,So many horses in a race,So many numbers in the lottery,So much time in our lives and with so many people in the world.
Chances are,Certain paths will meet at certain times.Even multiple times.For instance,With so many people who play the lottery,Chances are that somebody will win it.I think that 'coincidence' is inevitable.Yes these things do seem to happen to people in groups of incidences and that i cannot explain.Maybe our brains are more perceptive of certain things at times or maybe 'chance' plays its part.However for me,That is not enough evidence of a controlling power making this happen.Although i am not totally closed minded or set in my opinion.It is just the most likely scenario that i can see.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I had another 'weird' experience of 'synchronicity' on New Years Eve day, which I wasn't going to post because of much heated controversy when I posted similar incredible but perfectly true phenomena in an earlier thread, but because this incident was followed by an equally weird example of 'Deja Vu' yesterday morning, I cannot resist posting for your comments.

The first example of 'synchronicity' was witnessed by 6 people, and the second of 'Deja Vu' was witnessed by my wife and her sister.

On the morning of the 31st of December, I was 'chilling' at home with my wife and two other couples, and at around 12.30 I switched the T.V. to the racing channel for me Dean and Ben to watch while our three partners went into the kitchen to make coffee and snacks where they remained to carry on chatting.

Dean had already placed horseracing bets that morning at his home via his online bookies account, but none on any races at Punchestown in Ireland, and I had not even looked at horseracing for weeks.

Then the 1.45 race at Punchestown came on and my attention was immediately drawn to the rank outsider in the field - a horse called; 'He'llberemembered' at odds of 33/1. I had a persistent strong intuition that this horse was going to win and I told Dean to back it.

I have had these inexplicable strong intuitions many times before and I immediately went onto my own online account and placed an each way bet on the horse at 33/1 even though there was a strong 7/4 favourite in the field and despite there being only 2 places.

Dean knows all about my 'intuition' as he's been my friend for years, so he used my laptop to place a sizable win bet on the horse as he never backs each way.

And here comes the really weird part; just before the race was due to be off Dean went to the downstairs cloaks which was through the kitchen and through the utility room, and as he walked past the women who were seated chatting over coffee, he overheard his own girlfriend saying; "yeah, but he'll be remembered for all the right reasons".

Now, Dean knows all about 'synchronicity' from me and has witnessed many occasions when it has happened, so he immediately doubled back and told us about what had happened as he hurriedly placed another win bet on the horse. He then continued to the toilet.

(It later transpired that the women had been discussing Cliff Richard and the damage the sex allegation had on his image.)

Dean returned as the runners were off and he jokingly warned me that I'd better be right with my 'intuition' and my theories on 'synchronicity'.

The race was quite eventful; the strong favourite fell, and our 33/1 rank outsider was in a thrilling finish with 'Sadler's Risk' - a strongly fancied 7/2 shot - only to lose by a 'head' in a photo finish and come second.

I was OK each way, but Dean had lost, and though he was quite philosophical about it and blamed himself for not backing it each way at those huge odds, he did 'rib' me about my intuition that the horse would 'win'.

Now here's the perfectly true, really weirdest part of all - later that day, it was announced that the horse who had won the race; Sadler's Risk, was disqualified due to having carried 4lb less weight than he should have, and the runner up, 'He'llbe remembered' was promoted to winner.

The ensuing cheering from my front room could have been heard a mile away, and the girls came in to see what the fuss was about. Marie - Dean's girlfriend - was so pleased that she had played a part in this win that she immediately commandeered most of his winnings.

Here's the result copied and pasted from the Racing Post:

Race Result Punchestown Wed, 31st Dec, 2014
2m. 4f. Hurdle.

1st hd He'llberemembered (IRE) 11-9 (Mrs Mary Lett)
SP 33/1
P G Fahey
J J Burke(3)

settled behind leaders, slight mistake 3rd, left 3rd at 5th, mistake 4 out, slight mistake 3 out, ridden into 2nd entering straight, challenged last, disputed run-in and kept on well, just held home (promoted to 1st)

Now, I wasn't going to relate the above true incident, because of being called everything from a liar to an over imaginative dreamer in my last genuine post on synchronicity, but Dean, Marie, Ben, Hayley and my wife all say that they will join TIBB just to confirm this - and other weird occurrences they've witnessed with me and synchronicity (for want of a better term), then a very real incident of 'Deja Vu' which occurred yesterday determined me to 'post and be damned'.

My wife Tracy, and Marie and me, were sprawled (on separate sofas) watching a film - 'Con Air' with Nicolas Cage - when Tracy made a remark about John Malkovich who plays 'Cyrus The Virus. I immediately had that strange sensation which we call 'Deja Vu' and told them so, adding that the postman comes and pushes a huge amount of mail through the door, and within a minute that's exactly what happened; the postman came and huge amounts of mail thudded onto the hall floor through the letterbox.

Synchronicity and Deja Vu. Reasonable, non-aggressive responses please, especially from anyone who has also experienced these phenomena too.

I must admit I thought you were better than this Kirk Women retiring to the kitchen while the menfolk watched TV - I don't know about Deja Vu, but I hope your wife gave you a kick up the ass when they left and you remembered it.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I must admit I thought you were better than this Kirk Women retiring to the kitchen while the menfolk watched TV - I don't know about Deja Vu, but I hope your wife gave you a kick up the ass when they left and you remembered it.

Women love it in there,It's their natural habbitat

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Crimson Dynamo]

"There are two features of coincidences not well known among the public. First, we tend to overlook the powerful reinforcement of coincidences, both waking and in dreams, in our memories. Non-coincidental events do not register in our memories with nearly the same intensity. Second, we fail to realize the extent to which highly improbable events occur daily to everyone. It is not possible to estimate all the probabilities of many paired events that occur in our daily lives. We often tend to assign coincidences a lesser probability than they deserve."

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/coinci...ble_or_random/

[user104658]

If this was real there would be gamblers who, on average over a year, are making profits. There aren't. Not unless they're cheating (with either insider info or odds manipulation via betfair). They don't exist. Therefore what you're talking about is a combination of coincidence (incidentally - occasional improbable coincidence is a statistical certainty) and plain old dumb luck. A 33/1 shot coming first is not rare, it's not even unusual, it happens every day. 100/1 shots come in every day. It happens against odds on favourites... The favourite you're talking about wasn't even a strong favourite at those odds. Also you mentioned that the race was paying only two places, which means there weren't many horses in the race. And... Err... One of those was disqualified.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I agree with Ammi.This stuff happens to me loads.With me it's usually stuff on telly.I'll be talking to my girlfriend and someone on telly will say the exact word i just said at around the same time.Or i'll hear a word that i've hardly ever heard before and then i'll hear it 3-4 times on the same day in different places.It happened to me in early December quite a few times,I think i even posted on here about one incident in a thread.My girlfriend told me i should pick the lottery numbers.Honestly though...I just put it down to coincidence.I'm quite a skeptical person generally with things.I believe certain things but this stuff and religion and ghosts etc i don't.

This is actually an observed psychological phenomenon to do with how we process data. At any given second, all of your senses are being flooded with information, far too much to process at one time, so it gets filtered and "junk data" is never seen / heard / felt. Words that you don't really know, if it's not in an important scenario, usually get filtered as junk data and rejected from short term memory (as if it was never said). Then what happens is, one day you hear it in a context that lets you understand the word, and you think "ooh, that's an interesting word!" and it becomes active in your subconscious. Then, for a few days after that, every time you hear that word it "registers" and you think "Hey, there's that word again!" - it's not longer being filtered out of perception. Et voila! The word isn't actually "appearing" or being used any more than it was before. You're just noticing it for the first time.

[user104658]

Likewise, as above, people probably say a phrase like "he'll be remembered" quite often, as with the kitchen wife in the OP. It's a common and not significant phrase. It only gained significance and was noticed because it also happened to be the name of the horse that was running.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Women love it in there,It's their natural habbitat

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I must admit I thought you were better than this Kirk Women retiring to the kitchen while the menfolk watched TV - I don't know about Deja Vu, but I hope your wife gave you a kick up the ass when they left and you remembered it.

There is a T.V. in the kitchen Cherie, and the women charitably 'elected' to leave us - no, actually 'permitted' us to hog the room TV for a change, seeing as we usually have to sit and suffer their choices of programs on the room TV.

Don't worry Cherie, us men know our place.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just as insanely hilarious as usual LT.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Just as insanely hilarious as usual LT.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Women love it in there,It's their natural habbitat

You're a braver man than me Paul - even with that joker you stuck on there!

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You're a braver man than me Paul - even with that joker you stuck on there!

Hey my natural habitat is in the garage.I'm not ashamed to admit it.Stereotypes are only bad if they're false

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If this was real there would be gamblers who, on average over a year, are making profits. There aren't. Not unless they're cheating (with either insider info or odds manipulation via betfair). They don't exist.

What do you mean; “If this was real”? Are you saying I am lying?

The only dishonest person on this thread thus far is you, because – once again, and as always when you answer my posts – you are employing ‘Strawman’ tactics to enable you to try to appear ‘clever’ by trying to defeat my statements with your ‘psychobabble’.

You are once again ignoring what I actually write, deliberately misconstruing what I state and relating it out of context in your transparently dishonest posts along with sweeping and ridiculous presumptions which you pass off as ‘authorative’ fact, when they are in fact mistruths.

"There aren’t no gamblers who on average over a year are making profits? They don't exist."

Where, pray tell me, are your sources for such a false statement? Maybe you should tell that to the legendary JP McManus, Zeljko Ranogajec, or Bob Rothman. Or maybe you should have told it to Alan Woods before he passed away, or closer to home, Alan Cunningham who I know personally and who has amassed a million pound plus personal fortune from punting on racehorses and greyhounds in the 20 years or so since he packed in his lowly paid job on the bins to become a full time professional gambler.

Why, in my own heyday, I was even banned from 2 small independent bookies because they didn't like my ‘winning streaks’.

Yes, most punters do lose over a year – any year and most years – but to state that no gamblers make profits over a year is more laughable false presumption masquerading as authoritive fact.

“Therefore what you're talking about is a combination of coincidence (incidentally - occasional improbable coincidence is a statistical certainty) and plain old dumb luck. A 33/1 shot coming first is not rare, it's not even unusual, it happens every day. 100/1 shots come in every day. It happens against odds on favourites... “

LMAO – You are certainly a comedian. "A 33/1 shot coming in first happens every day, and 100/1 shots come in every day."???????

Where, pray tell me, are your sources for such a false statement?

And “100/1 shots coming in every day happens against odds on favourites”.

Show me corroborating proof for your banal statement.

“The favourite you're talking about wasn't even a strong favourite at those odds. Also you mentioned that the race was paying only two places, which means there weren't many horses in the race. And... Err... One of those was disqualified.”

You are really missing the point and talking crap as usual:

The horse backed was the total rank outsider at 33/1.
Those odds were offered by the bookies because they reflected its mathematical probabilities of winning in that field of 5 other horses who all had proven levels of superior form.

The other odds were 7/4, 7/2, 7/2, 5/1 & 8/1. So at 33/1 ‘He’llberemembered’ was deemed by all the bookies (whose job is to know their business) as having virtually ‘no chance’ of winning in a field of 5 other horses who all had proven levels of superior form.

The favourite’s odds of 7/4 did not make it a strong favourite? Don’t be so ridiculous. Given the high levels of comparable form of the other runners apart from He’llberemembered’ - as shown by the close odds of these others – certainly meant that ‘Jennies Jewel’ was indeed a strong favourite at 7/4.

Yes, one was disqualified – the winner; ‘Saddler’s Risk’ who was carrying 4lbs less than he should have done, which – even to you – must mean that if he’d carried his correct weight, rather than winning a photo by a head he’d have lost to ‘He’llberemembered’ by a couple of lengths at least.

This means that the rank 33/1 outsider was not only the winner of the race in the Stewards Room, but he would also have been the winner against the odds had there been no weight anomaly with Saddler’s Risk.

So, your; “And... Err... One of those was disqualified.” is meaningless, because all 6 runners did run, so He’llberemembered’ beat them all despite having ‘virtually no chance of doing so”.

So, having put you right on your wrong presumptions, we’ll now get to the point which you are so patently missing; It was not the fact that we backed a 33/1 rank outsider which won, but how we came to back it.

I have no relatives called 'He'll be remembered' , had no previous knowledge of the horse (Irish racing) and had not seen a racecard for the race, yet when the horse names first came on screen I immediately told Dean and Ben it would win. This was inexplicable intuition and was actually voiced before any betting shows were screened.

Yes, that was inexplicable 'intuition', the 'synchronicity' part came when Dean walked into the kitchen at the very second that his girlfriend Marie said the "He'll be remembered for..." part of her ongoing speech.

Incidentally, when you state to EyeballPaul:

“Likewise, as above, people probably say a phrase like "he'll be remembered" quite often, as with the kitchen wife in the OP. It's a common and not significant phrase. It only gained significance and was noticed because it also happened to be the name of the horse that was running.”

This is yet more false presumption stated as authorative fact.

Once she has joined Tibb to do so, Marie will tell you herself that she cannot remember even using the phrase before, and she should know facts about her own life much better than you purport to.

And, you are once again missing the point;

Which is; what are the odds of Dean walking in at the precise second that the phrase; ‘He’ll be remembered’ was being spoken by his girlfriend out of all the times he could have walked in during the 90 minutes or so of constant conversation the girls were having in a separate room?

Psychologist treat thyself. Or at the very least stop using 'Strawman' techniques to appear clever in your responses to my honest posts, and stop trying to pass psychobabble and false presumptions off as authorative facts - or start supporting your contentions with some evidence for a change because you really are becoming tiresome.

[user104658]

Too long Kirk, didn't read. I've worked as a manager for a (very busy) bookmakers for five and a half years. Rank outsiders win every day. 33/1 shots win every day. 100/1 shots win several times a week. Last week a £3 lucky fifteen return thousands because all four horses won, none of them at less than 15/1, one at 50/1. In the last year, I have taken / processed over 100,000 bets. That's me, personally. So yeah... That's my sources. First hand experience. If you like, I'll come back to this thread in a week with a list of winners at odds of 33/1 or greater, in races with 6 runners or more. I'm just generous like that I suppose.

7/4 alongside not one but two 7/2 shots is not a strong favourite, no. A 6/4 with nothing else in the field bigger than 4/1? Thats an "almost certain". But again, an 8/15 shot will lose to a 7/1 2nd fav as an everyday occurance. This is why the bookies always win.

The professional gamblers you are talking about who make a career out of these things have detailed and specific knowledge of the horses, courses, trainers and performance in training. I did mention "insider knowledge". Another protip: the odds makers fiddle the odds to make horses that they know are going to run poorly look like a favourite, and better horses look like outsiders, because a huge majority of everyday punters bet on 1st/2nd favs habitually. That's why those in the know are dangerous, and that's why anyone betting £100+ at around 6/1 or greater regularly will find themselves having their stakes or ability to take a price restricted.

Average punters who do not have this insider knowledge - and who are not involved in odds fixing rings online - do not have sustained wins over time. Period. The reason for this is that psychic abilities / mysticism / future prediction is nonsense, and because lucky streaks are based purely on coincidence which can be completely and easily deconstructed with a basic understanding of statistics. To put it simply: thousands of things are happening to almost 7 billion people every day, running to a total of several trillion "events per day". That several of these events will coincidence in ways that seem highly improbable is not strange, it is not providence, it is not paranormal - it is mathematical certainty.