[Redway]

... that we existed prior to conception (i.e., before we were born)? Or something else?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No

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[Jessica.]

No, anyone with common sense knows that we only began our existence as a foetus.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

No, anyone with common sense knows that we only began our existence as a foetus.

I agree (I'm an atheist) but people with more spiritual/religious beliefs may think otherwise so...

And being open to spiritual matters doesn't automatically make the person lack common sense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Redway

I agree (I'm an atheist) but people with more spiritual/religious beliefs may think otherwise so...

People write fictional books too.

We are but brief lives between 2 endless oblivions

[kirklancaster]

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[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

...We are but brief lives between 2 endless oblivions

Have you ever thought about joining the Samaritan's Trumpet?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Have you ever thought about joining the Samaritan's Trumpet?

"O Cruelty, thy name is woman"

Can you imagine how the suicide rate would shoot up if LT did join the Samaritans?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Have you ever thought about joining the Samaritan's Trumpet?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

No, anyone with common sense knows that we only began our existence as a foetus.

Plenty of people with 'common sense' believe in other lives... No need to act all high and mighty.

And to answer the question, I too believe that there is no life before conception.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Plenty of people with 'common sense' believe in other lives... No need to act all high and mighty.

And to answer the question, I too believe that there is no life before conception.

I wasn't acting high and mighty, it's completely impossible for us to have existed before our physical existence, impossible, it's a fact, I'm not trying to hate on any beliefs.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I wasn't acting high and mighty, it's completely impossible for us to have existed before our physical existence, impossible, it's a fact, I'm not trying to hate on any beliefs.

From a purely scientific standpoint, yeah. I'm by no means a spiritualist by any stretch of the imagination and I myself am more inclined towards science and logic but being open to more abstract ideas doesn't make someone lacking in common sense as you explicitly stated. It's called a different perspective on life.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Redway

From a purely scientific standpoint, yeah. I'm by no means a spiritualist by any stretch of the imagination and I myself am more inclined towards science and logic but being open to more abstract ideas doesn't make someone lacking in common sense as you explicitly stated. It's called a different perspective on life.

Well, maybe I shouldn't have phrased my original comment how I did but it's just my opinion. I know for a fact that there is no existence before physical existence so I'm saying that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

From a purely scientific standpoint, yeah. I'm by no means a spiritualist by any stretch of the imagination and I myself am more inclined towards science and logic but being open to more abstract ideas doesn't make someone lacking in common sense as you explicitly stated. It's called a different perspective on life.

The thing is Science can't answer everything, but of course us being around before being a Foetus sounds absolutely absurd, but I think there's a lot of things in the universe that neither us or Science will ever be able to explain.

Obviously Science is the best way to prove/disprove something though.

And I agree with you that having spiritual beliefs doesn't make the person have less common sense, if anything that's quite a narrow minded opinion for anybody to have.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I wasn't acting high and mighty, it's completely impossible for us to have existed before our physical existence, impossible, it's a fact, I'm not trying to hate on any beliefs.

Just as you believe it's impossible, there are those that believe it is possible and it's a bit harsh to insinuate that the people that do believe in reincarnation lack common sense. I know others have called you out on this so i don't wanna like jump on the slug but i just wanted to say that i thought it was a bit of bad wording

Personally i don't believe in reincarnation, although a part of me kinda does, tbh i haven't a clue lmao, i haven't given it much thought.

[Northern Monkey]

Impossible by definition.Unless you count the sperm and ovary as 'we' but just not fully formed.
I certainly can't remember swimming around in my dads sack.

[Mystic Mock]

It's an interesting idea, I do believe that there is some supernatural things out there (obviously not the kind that you see on TV lol) I think my answer is a no though, but you can never say never with things like this.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Redway

... that we existed prior to conception (i.e., before we were born)? Or something else?

Nope, it's the joining of our parents' dna that makes us who we are, before that happened there was no us to exist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

People believe all sorts of crap but that has zero effect on reality.

And having crazy beliefs do not require anyone to respect them

[JoshBB]

I find it really interesting, and where you cannot prove/disprove it I would probably say I am 90% sure it doesn't exist. It's more moral than heaven/hell imo too

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its just wistful wishful thinking but there is not a shred of evidence.

Its as credible as a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its just wistful wishful thinking but there is not a shred of evidence.

Its as credible as a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow

Unfortunately I do think LT is correct. There is no evidence other than the accounts of others which can be unreliable.

[DemolitionRed]

The matter and energy that we were constructed from did exist because energy can neither be created or destroyed; you can only change its form.

[kirklancaster]

It should be no secret on here by now that I am an unorthodox Christian, but I believe in Reincarnation.

I do not know the mind of God or have any answers - only theories - but there is just too much documented genuine evidence of people - especially children - who have knowledge of previous existences for this phenomena to be dismissed.

I researched Reincarnation many years ago when I was 'searching' for answers to life and examined different religions and philosophies but to save me finding my old files and having to scan documents etc into my pc for posting purposes, I will post links to relevant articles, or you could all just google, say, 'Genuine cases of Reincarnation' or suchlike.

Anyway, my own theory is as follows:

Suppose that when we die, a type of invisible and intangible force or energy, which I'll call 'memory energy', leaves the prefontal celebral cortex or other parts of the brain responsible for memories, and returns to a 'belt' of 'memory energy' which comprises of the collective memory energy of every deceased person since the dawn of mankind? This 'belt could be in our dimension or some other, and every time a new baby is about to be born it 'draws down' the amount of 'memory energy' necessary for it to it to start its life.

Perhaps we are not meant to be able to access any previous memories which may be 'stored' in this 'draw down', but perhaps - due to some physiological abberations peculiar to them - certain individuals can sometimes accidently access them. Or perhaps ALL of us may accidentally 'tap in' to such prestored historical memories when conditions are precisely 'just right' to afford us access to them.

I do not have answers, but my theory COULD explain the well documented cases of people (mainly children) who have accurate memories of previous existences, and even 'Deja Vu' in others.

I do not blindly BELIEVE all paranormal or supernatural claims, but I am not such a bigot that I point blank refuse to consider well documented phenomena just because it lies outside the narrow parameters of that which we call 'science'.
I CHOSE to believe in Christ after exhaustive research of several religions and philosophies, because - after cross referencing and analysing - I was LOGICALLY persuaded by the evidence.

It is the same with this.

Incidentally Jessica, we may begin our PHYSICAL existence as a foetus, but there is more to life than the physical body, because as wonderfully complex as our nervous systems and brains may be, the neurones and synapses and cortex et al, are just the machinery - what about Higher Thought? Conciousness? Reasoning?

There is no needlepoint of knowing at which precise instant human life begins, let alone just what actually constitutes and defines 'life' and remember that in no other field are there more 'U' Turns' than in Science. Yesterday's scientific 'Fact' is tomorrow's abandoned 'theory'.

http://www.beliefnet.com/Wellness/20...od-Sharma.aspx

http://www.jaicobooks.com/j/PDF/30%2...ing%20case.pdf

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The matter and energy that we were constructed from did exist because energy can neither be created or destroyed; you can only change its form.

The energy inside our mothers womb fused us and our cells began multiplying, eventually our hearts matured enough to begin beating and our brains matured enough to give us senses and movement. Every object, even the most still, has potential energy, it can't be created or destroyed, but everything has some form of energy already, even if only potential. That is nothing to do with this anyway, it's a strange argument.