[arista]

He has a Fair Point
as he had to go to America
to get better roles


Debated on Ch5HD 5PM News



I blame the BBC.

[MB.]

The same BBC that makes Luther?

[arista]

Originally Posted by MB.

The same BBC that makes Luther?

YES


those 2 recent ones
got funded by BBCAmerica (They call it BBC Worldwide)
Thats the Commercial BBC
not the one we HAVE TO FUND


I would make at least 6 in a row.
Folks will forget he is Luther

Fecking BBC

[arista]

The Conservative Broadcasting Minister
Ed.V was on Ch5HD News just now
saying he telling all Channels to have more Black actors
and Disabled actors

[Johnnyuk123]

Film companies can choose whoever they want for their films. It's their money so it's no ones business but theirs who they choose to star in their movies.

[Northern Monkey]

Blocking them or just don't have the roles?Maybe more roles for black actors need writing.That could be a problem created by the script writers.I suppose it also depends on the programme or film though as to the roles they need filling at the time.Just sticking black or disabled actors in any old role that's not written for them would just be odd.

[kirklancaster]

And don't forget the odd token Ginger haired men with freckles, Nicaraguan Dwarfs, Hermaphrodites, Lithuanians, Polish, Albanians, People with badly fitting dentures, Transgenders, Acne sufferers, Jolly Roly Poly Jamaican women in gaily coloured clothes - we must include all types of people from all walks of life so as to ensure that we do not discriminate against anyone.

Surely it will not take much rewriting to accomodate as many different nationalities and types as possible in even the most minimalist of productions? The 5 cast members in Beckett's 'Waiting For Godot' for example, can be changed from two tramps to 50 tramps and can be retitled; 'Waiting For Godot And His 567 Mates' - Oh, No Good, I forgot, Godot never turns up.

Ah well, perhaps writer Neil Cross can take his absurd creation Luther one step further and write a series entitled 'Luther and the 645 Serial Killers'

[Alf]

So basically just calling Britain racist.

[Kizzy]

I'd say they are under represented in drama, comedy and soap.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'd say they are under represented in drama, comedy and soap.

Just look at Eastenders.Albert Square's like a UN summit.I don't think they're that under represented.There are disabled presenters on the BBC.I've seen two recently.Infact Grange Hill had a disabled student back in the eighties or early nineties.I honestly don't think its a problem.Maybe Idris has been recently knocked back from a role and has sour grapes?

[JoshBB]

Jesus christ.. right-wingers really will blame anything on the BBC.

[Crimson Dynamo]

bollocks


is he promoting his "clothing line" as well?



Feck of to america and dont come back

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by wannashag

So basically just calling Britain racist.

He obviously believes that there is racism within our society (which is true) and that it is blocking black people from achieving acting success - which is subjective, but in a society with some racist prevelance, not unlikely.



There are four types of racism though, and I'm not sure which he is referring to here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

He obviously believes that there is racism within our society (which is true) and that it is blocking black people from achieving acting success - which is subjective, but in a society with some racist prevelance, not unlikely.



There are four types of racism though, and I'm not sure which he is referring to here.

90% of the UK is white

if 90% of the UK was black it would be the same



he needs to move to la and do one

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Just look at Eastenders.Albert Square's like a UN summit.I don't think they're that under represented.There are disabled presenters on the BBC.I've seen two recently.Infact Grange Hill had a disabled student back in the eighties or early nineties.I honestly don't think its a problem.Maybe Idris has been recently knocked back from a role and has sour grapes?

You love your grapes don't you, how did we get from black actors to the disabled again?...

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

90% of the UK is white

if 90% of the UK was black it would be the same



he needs to move to la and do one

No it wouldn't, I don't think you understand how racism works.

But just to be clear here, a black actor is discussing his story on how race has held back his success in the UK movies industry, and instead of showing compassion.. you say he needs to move out of our country?

I don't follow your logic here.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

No it wouldn't, I don't think you understand how racism works.

But just to be clear here, a black actor is discussing his story on how race has held back his success in the UK movies industry, and instead of showing compassion.. you say he needs to move out of our country?

I don't follow your logic here.

[Locke.]

Elba.

He's one of the best actors this country has produced in recent times, and unlike most other British actors that make it in the US he actually still comes home and makes British shows and films, which I'm sure benefits the TV/film companies quite a lot. The last thing they want is for him to "do one to LA"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

No it wouldn't, I don't think you understand how racism works.

But just to be clear here, a black actor is discussing his story on how race has held back his success in the UK movies industry, and instead of showing compassion.. you say he needs to move out of our country?

I don't follow your logic here.

so you think if the UK was a black country and was 90 % black that things would not be exactly the same?

How?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Luther is awful formulaic standard issue cop crime crud

[Locke.]

You are in the minority in thinking that, it's reviewed very well and won a couple of Golden Globes. Downton Abbey is the only other British show in recent times I can think of to achieve anything like that.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so you think if the UK was a black country and was 90 % black that things would not be exactly the same?

How?

Once again LT you want to change the subject.

Personally, I think this also applies to actors like Dominic West and Damien Lewis who both had to move to Hollywood to find roles. I just think there are not enough good British productions for the talent that is currently over here. Christoher Eccleston gave up Dr Who, one of the plum acting jobs in this country, to seek roles in the US. Strange you dont make that argument instead you just tell Idris to 'Do one'.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Luther is awful formulaic standard issue cop crime crud

I agree - totally absurd and OTT hammy. The first series would not have made it past the Script Readers had it been an unknown writer. We had a D.I. who was so psychologically, mentally and emotionally unstable he would have been removed from his position in a jiffy, and a female serial killer following him across the London rooftops clutching a huge carving knife - pure shlocky horror hokum which failed to have me 'suspending my disbelief' as a great script should, and had me laughing out loud at the awfullness of it all instead.

Idris IS a very gifted actor though, and a seemingly decent and nice person, and he deserves his success, but the idea that any actors are 'held back' from roles simply BECAUSE they are black is ludicrous.

If the part demands a black actor and the actor who is auditioning is good enough - he/she will get the role.

Or do some members think that roles should specifically be given to black actors just BECAUSE they are black? This in itself is discriminatory and racist.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so you think if the UK was a black country and was 90 % black that things would not be exactly the same?

How?

You can't just rewrite our demographic and imagine hypothetical situations.. but if we are going to look at 90% black (usually more) demographics then it is not the case. South Africa still needs anti-discrimination laws for black people especially in employment because of white privelege. Throughout africa and asia they are taught that white skin is a sign of beauty, and they use dangerous bleaching chemicals to try and achieve that. It's really sad.

Racism is founded upon our colonialism in the past, as well as slavery. You cannot rewrite that. You cannot imagine up hypotheticals of a higher black demographic discriminating against white people because both of those factors massively affect racism in the UK and the western world in general.

[Johnnyuk123]

Producers want to make as much money out of a movie project as they can for themselves and their backers. Whoever they choose is their choice. I have no problem with whoever they choose as they are taking a gamble with lots of money to try and make a profit. It has nothing to do with colour and everything to do with making money on their movie project.