[Vanessa]

Interesting article where Marco's mother talks about her son. Can't help thinking how he would have turned out with a more stable family life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ost-child.html

[Vanessa]

She's awaiting trial for attacking both her sons

[Vicky.]

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The wording in the link is rather strange...

But yeah, bad childhood. Loads of cash. In turn bunch of drugs. Never had to earn his keep. Overgrown manchild essentially. Its sad really when you think about it. I said quite early on in the show that watching him was like watching one of the young 'stars' going off the rails, in action and with the breakdown being applauded and encouraged. Nothing has changed...

[Tom4784]

I don't think a bad upbringing is an excuse. There's plenty of people who have been raised in worse circumstances that have turned out to be good people despite bad parenting.

Marco is old enough to realise his parents mistakes and not let them define him.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think a bad upbringing is an excuse. There's plenty of people who have been raised in worse circumstances that have turned out to be good people despite bad parenting.

Marco is old enough to realise his parents mistakes and not let them define him.

What a simplistic and idealistic view you have .....I think you're wrong myself...very...loads of kids from famous parents end up like Marco and often end up dead....I don't know who your favourite housemates are or what their parents are like but I do know there is a high percentage chance they will become exactly as narsassistic as he is......I wonder if you simplistic view will be applied to them too.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by hot2go

What a simplistic and idealistic view you have .....I think you're wrong myself...very...loads of kids from famous parents end up like Marco and often end up dead....I don't know who your favourite housemates are or what their parents are like but I do know there is a high percentage chance they will become exactly as narsassistic as he is......I wonder if you simplistic view will be applied to them too.

I'll only warn you once. don't attack people because of their favourites. Drop that **** right now.

My view isn't simplistic or idealistic. Having a bad childhood isn't an excuse for being a ****up in adult life. at some point you have to let go of that crap or let it consume you but it's not an excuse for acting like a twat, that's on his shoulders and no one else's.

He is no longer a child, he has his own mind and he can come to his own conclusions. You can't blame his upbringing for his actions.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'll only warn you once. don't attack people because of their favourites. Drop that **** right now.

My view isn't simplistic or idealistic. Having a bad childhood isn't an excuse for being a ****up in adult life. at some point you have to let go of that crap or let it consume you but it's not an excuse for acting like a twat, that's on his shoulders and no one else's.

He is no longer a child, he has his own mind and he can come to his own conclusions. You can't blame his upbringing for his actions.

That was an awfully condescending response to your point, which is very valid, so I totally understand your reaction. Hot2go makes some really intelligent points on many things, which I can often respect and agree with, but on occasions some are made in a rather insulting way, as in this case.

Sadly, many Marco fans will not see that he has any responsibility for his own behaviour, despite the fact that he is an adult, and excuse him no matter what. Yet the more people excuse things, the more he will continue with behaviours which are likely to be harmful to himself or others, so it is actually detrimental to him, as the excuses are actually allowing him to convince himself that all is okay as it is.

At what age or under what circumstances should Marco actually stop blaming his upbringing, learn some self-control and help himself? When he dies from cocaine abuse? When he kills someone whilst driving under the influence of drugs/alcohol? By excusing him no matter what, is almost supporting Marco in his own downfall or tragic outcome.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'll only warn you once. don't attack people because of their favourites. Drop that **** right now.

My view isn't simplistic or idealistic. Having a bad childhood isn't an excuse for being a ****up in adult life. at some point you have to let go of that crap or let it consume you but it's not an excuse for acting like a twat, that's on his shoulders and no one else's.

He is no longer a child, he has his own mind and he can come to his own conclusions. You can't blame his upbringing for his actions.

Im not attacking you. ....I'm disagreeing with you ....and I still do...so I guess we will have to remain disagreeing with each other on this one....

You say abuse or neglect as a child are no excuse for being disfunctional as an adult
I say it's not that simplistic and those factors def affect people when they become adults

No point either of us going round in circles, we clearly don't agree

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think a bad upbringing is an excuse. There's plenty of people who have been raised in worse circumstances that have turned out to be good people despite bad parenting.

Marco is old enough to realise his parents mistakes and not let them define him.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Nice to see you've still got the clap

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think a bad upbringing is an excuse. There's plenty of people who have been raised in worse circumstances that have turned out to be good people despite bad parenting.

Marco is old enough to realise his parents mistakes and not let them define him.

This. I have NO sympathy.

[Rob!]

Sad thing is I doubt he's even hit his low point yet. I'd love to think he'd watch his time in the house back and realise what a knob he made of himself but I doubt it somehow.

[Maru]

Marco's mother writes better than most other DM writers. (I'm sure she had an editor) She wasn't quick to blame his father and mentioned her own faults as well.

Still think him being ejected was the best thing to happen to him. Maybe he will learn. Or, he will just milk the attention and nothing will change.

I wonder why she didn't show up to the ejection?

[hot2go]

The guy is in pain yet still was never malicious in the house ....I found behaviour of some other housemates more ugly....Luara, Jayne, Ryan, Sam..

I liked the fact he was wild and unpredictable.....

The problem with people who have no vices is that they have some really annoying virtues.

At least he was open about what he likes to do.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The guy is in pain yet still was never malicious in the house ....I found behaviour of some other housemates more ugly....Luara, Jayne, Ryan, Sam..

I liked the fact he was wild and unpredictable.....

The problem with people who have no vices is that they have some really annoying virtues.

At least he was open about what he likes to do.

I like that he's wild. I just hope he doesn't go off the rails.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The guy is in pain yet still was never malicious in the house ....I found behaviour of some other housemates more ugly....Luara, Jayne, Ryan, Sam..

I liked the fact he was wild and unpredictable.....

The problem with people who have no vices is that they have some really annoying virtues.

At least he was open about what he likes to do.

The people he hurts like his girlfriend are the ones in pain. As for being unpredictable what is unpredictable about womanising that's very predictable from a guy who thinks women are meat.

As for being open about what he likes to do you mean he just likes to do women

He is spoilt rotten and a waste of space and that's the truth.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bananarama

The people he hurts like his girlfriend are the ones in pain. As for being unpredictable what is unpredictable about womanising that's very predictable from a guy who thinks women are meat.

As for being open about what he likes to do you mean he just likes to do women

He is spoilt rotten and a waste of space and that's the truth.

She's not in pain,lol,but she's in the money for selling a story on him,no wonder he finished with her. I didn't mind marco,there are worse people about .all I can say it's a good job some of Tibb aren't in the caring profession

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by bananarama

The people he hurts like his girlfriend are the ones in pain. As for being unpredictable what is unpredictable about womanising that's very predictable from a guy who thinks women are meat.

As for being open about what he likes to do you mean he just likes to do women

He is spoilt rotten and a waste of space and that's the truth.

Thank god. Some reality.

[MojoNixon]

Article does not make him any better housemate that he was. Glad that he is out.

[Ammi]

..it's a sad read for sure..I don't think that having an 'advantaged' upbringing/life in terms of money, has been an advantage at all, it's probably been one of the biggest disadvantages in that it's possibly led to his friendships being ones that have revolved around his money rather than who he is../more shallow friendships etc...if he had not been spoilt with money and materialistic things, then his friendships would have been because of the person he was and he himself would have been in no doubt about that, so felt much more self-worth...


..one of the most loving things that we can do for our children/to make them feel loved is to be a clearly defined parent..a huge part of them growing is in choosing their friendships and learning from their friendships../the people who they will choose to keep in their lives..Marco has never learned that either I don't think..one of the most sad things of what his mum said is that she feels or fears as though 'there is no hope for him'...what he needs is a belief that whatever road of 'destruction' he's travelling on now, there is every hope for him and a happy outcome from the two people who should have and should have had a complete belief in him..his mum and dad...

[Cherie]

Interesting that she found the time to sell her story to the DM

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Interesting that she found the time to sell her story to the DM

I know, some mother

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I know, some mother

i can agree with you Vanessa, finally we can agree on something, i find it rude from his mother, that she hasn't had time to support him on BB live eviction show, but she can make time for a interview with DM



i like you Nessa , we sometimes have got different opinions, but you are still one of my friends on this forum

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I know, some mother

She sounds like a right angry woman,she trashed Marco Snr's car aswell didn't she? I bet those kids have seen and heard some stuff.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it's a sad read for sure..I don't think that having an 'advantaged' upbringing/life in terms of money, has been an advantage at all, it's probably been one of the biggest disadvantages in that it's possibly led to his friendships being ones that have revolved around his money rather than who he is../more shallow friendships etc...if he had not been spoilt with money and materialistic things, then his friendships would have been because of the person he was and he himself would have been in no doubt about that, so felt much more self-worth...


..one of the most loving things that we can do for our children/to make them feel loved is to be a clearly defined parent..a huge part of them growing is in choosing their friendships and learning from their friendships../the people who they will choose to keep in their lives..Marco has never learned that either I don't think..one of the most sad things of what his mum said is that she feels or fears as though 'there is no hope for him'...what he needs is a belief that whatever road of 'destruction' he's travelling on now, there is every hope for him and a happy outcome from the two people who should have and should have had a complete belief in him..his mum and dad...

Sounds like his dad spoiled him for overcompensating for not being there. Boys needed their father.