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10-06-2017, 07:06 PM | #1 | |||
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10-06-2017, 07:40 PM | #2 | |||
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10-06-2017, 07:46 PM | #3 | ||
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Uncosted manifesto, constant u-turns, refusing to say what she classes as a 'wealthy pensioner' for the means testing of benefits. No cap on social care proposals...refusal to do TV appearances. Inability to answer any question about her own policies without mentioning Corbyns name. Refusal to answer questions from normal people on the few tv appearances she did actually do. Fox hunting, ivory, just bonkers really. The means testing pensioner benefits and social care 'dementia tax' I agreed with from the Tory manifesto too (in principle..obviously my support depends on figures. If she was going to say 5k per year or something ridiculous for the benefits thing then nope). Those were the two that seemed to enrage everyone else I just cannot believe how close this actually was. When people say every vote counts, I always think that it doesn't make much difference really..but this time it really would have. I do wonder quite how much sway the media has in this too. With numbers being so close. Could have had a very different result if not for the media onslaught.
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10-06-2017, 07:51 PM | #4 | |||
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10-06-2017, 07:57 PM | #5 | ||
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I hope the Conservatives can find someone decent to replace her. There is no doubt that its coming. Maybe not right now, but they will. I predict after Brexit deals are done.
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10-06-2017, 08:01 PM | #6 | |||
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10-06-2017, 08:01 PM | #7 | |||
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Up the voting age to 21
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10-06-2017, 08:03 PM | #8 | ||
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10-06-2017, 08:48 PM | #9 | |||
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Pressed people want to better their future by not having Tories?
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10-06-2017, 09:54 PM | #10 | |||
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Nothing personal but that really annoys me, fox hunting would NOT get past the Commons vote, it could pretty much be ignored on the manifesto.
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10-06-2017, 09:55 PM | #11 | |||
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If the age were to change, it should go up. People's brains aren't fully developed until about 25, so making decisions which can effectively wreck the country should be left to those more suited to thinking it through.
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11-06-2017, 01:12 AM | #12 | ||
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The extent of Labour's success in this election really cannot be understated. Yes, they didn't win, but nobody ever thought that was a possibility - indeed no one ever thought they'd be strengthened in opposition. Makes you laugh to consider how poorly Owen Smith would've fared.
But anyway, they were 800,000 votes behind the Tories in total. That is remarkable. It's only because of our ridiculous electoral system that it's meaningless. They are up 3m votes from 2015. A 10% increase in vote share. And, crucially, they've just created a multitude of wafer-thin marginals: Spoiler: http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/bat...targets/labour 22 seats with majorities sub 1000 votes would put them in minority government territory. The 64 seats required for a majority of two are all sub 4000 majorities. In fairness, the Tories list of marginals isn't too shabby either (and certainly their vote share is also striking), but with a floundering Conservative administration and a strengthened Labour party in opposition, and a mobilised membership, I've never been more optimistic than I am right now. Quote:
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11-06-2017, 01:58 AM | #13 | ||
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The only people advocating **** like this are Tories who are butt-hurt that Corbyn spent the time to connect with the youth of the country and it spolit the Maybot's chances and showed her up for the moronic, non-caring asshole that she is. |
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11-06-2017, 07:16 AM | #14 | ||
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Completely agree - 16 is too young - they would not be making informed decisions and would probably treat it as some kind of game. It could be very damaging to politics.
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11-06-2017, 07:18 AM | #15 | ||
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11-06-2017, 07:20 AM | #16 | ||
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11-06-2017, 07:47 AM | #17 | ||
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'Connect' and 'manipulate' are (if you really need someone to explain it to you) two very different words with very different meanings.
Corbyn went out all across the Country and met and talked with young people, answered any questions they had while just showing that he actually cared at the same time. That's 'connecting' with young people. Theresa May announced a snap election, told everyone she was ''strong and stable'' and the only way forward, hid and then sat back and waited for her landslide victory. As we now know that didn't work out for her. What she tried to do was clearly 'manipulation'. As i was saying, two very different words. Last edited by JTM45; 11-06-2017 at 07:47 AM. |
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11-06-2017, 07:56 AM | #18 | ||
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All politians do it at every election - many youngsters probably don't really get that as they have never actually lived it. The false promises, they are part of the 'game'. |
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11-06-2017, 08:06 AM | #19 | |||
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I know Oliver,in hindsight it's annoyed me too
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11-06-2017, 08:21 AM | #20 | ||
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Shall we start voting at 25 and then stop at 45 maybe? Then, of course, you have the fact that some people simply never develop effective reasoning abilities or skills at any age. Will we have a test? Last edited by Toy Soldier; 11-06-2017 at 08:27 AM. |
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11-06-2017, 08:26 AM | #21 | ||
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If you lowered the voting age, I think you'd have two types of young voters. The ones who ARE informed and interested and would make the effort to vote, and the ones who would be dragged along by their parents to vote along family lines. The latter type would encompass all parties and so likely cancel itself out. That said - I personally think the voting age is fine at 18. |
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11-06-2017, 08:50 PM | #22 | |||
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TS dragging us back to the 70s
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11-06-2017, 08:51 PM | #23 | |||
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If it's such a non-issue then May needs to stop bringing it back up
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11-06-2017, 09:08 PM | #24 | ||
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Theresa May ran the worst campaign I've ever seen. She never answered a single question directly and only spoke in vague terms (easier to backtrack on) and she ultimately relied on the relentless character assassination and the hopes that most people were too ignorant to look at the facts and treated the tabloids as gospel, after all she was the 'hero of the people' and he was the evil little terrorist sympathiser that wanted peace instead of indulging in the wanton bloodlust of the public.
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11-06-2017, 09:20 PM | #25 | |||
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Anyone can bring up anything they like, but it wouldn't get through a Commons vote.
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