[TomC]

i don't like how he keeps going up to people and telling them things and then doesn't want them to act on it.

[Jake.]

What about it didn't sit right

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jake.

What about it didn't sit right

He knows too well how things can get overblown in there.

Like you,I saw nothing wrong in him saying that at all Jake.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He knows too well how things can get overblown in there.

Like you,I saw nothing wrong in him saying that at all Jake.

Yes, he didn't want to cause an argument.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its been an awful edit for raph. His star sure took a massive hit tonight

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes, he didn't want to cause an argument.

Oh, get out. we saw tonight that he 100% wants to cause arguments, and then slink off.

Spineless little snide.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its been an awful edit for raph. His star sure took a massive hit tonight

What else can we expect from him, par for the course as far as i am concerned.

[Vicky.]

Hes been doing this constantly. Tittle tattling, twisting whats actually been said then asking people not to say anything but winding Hannah up which in turn makes her really annoyed and snap with everyone. Hes really doing her no favours :S

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes, he didn't want to cause an argument.

If he didn't want to cause an argument he wouldn't have ran off from the garden as soon as he heard something that could piss Hannah off...this has happened so many times now, and its always Hannah. He is in her ear constantly winding her up...whilst being afraid of any conflict himself.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Hes been doing this constantly. Tittle tattling, twisting whats actually been said then asking people not to say anything but winding Hannah up which in turn makes her really annoyed and snap with everyone. Hes really doing her no favours :S

this

[Cherie]

He got caught out, he picked the wrong person to tell in Chanelle

[Jack_]

He's stirring and then trying to cover his own back, I think it's genius

He pretty much caused all the drama and finally injected some life back into this flailing series, job well done tbh

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jack_

He's stirring and then trying to cover his own back, I think it's genius

He pretty much caused all the drama and finally injected some life back into this flailing series, job well done tbh

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

He's stirring and then trying to cover his own back, I think it's genius

He pretty much caused all the drama and finally injected some life back into this flailing series, job well done tbh

It would be but...this is BBUK not BBUSA. I think Raph is forgetting that the public can see what he is doing and ultimately our BB is a popularity contest, and people who purposely bitch on to try and get their 'friends' to kick off don't tend to go down too well He would be perfect for the US formula though as I don't think anyone in the house suspects what hes doing.

Having said that I don't want a happy happy house happy house happy house so he can continue. But his popularity will nosedive and if his friends are shown his sneakyness it could even leave him isolated through his own doing

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It would be but...this is BBUK not BBUSA. I think Raph is forgetting that the public can see what he is doing and ultimately our BB is a popularity contest, and people who purposely bitch on to try and get their 'friends' to kick off don't tend to go down too well ;laugh: He would be perfect for the US formula though as I don't think anyone in the house suspects what hes doing.

yah, i think his popularity will start to decline soon. maybe not enough for him not to win tho

[LukeB]

I actually say "if you like me don't say anything" only because i have more loyalties to my best friend so if someone who i don't care about bitches about her i will tell her and i say that lmao.

I guess he told them because they knew anyway so he may as well have said it but i don't know what he wanted from it.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Jack_

He's stirring and then trying to cover his own back, I think it's genius

He pretty much caused all the drama and finally injected some life back into this flailing series, job well done tbh

Oh ok... So you are saying that all his fans that state here that he did the ethically right thing and was just being a good friend are wrong and that he actually did intentionally dump his 'allies' into a fight for drama?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes, he didn't want to cause an argument.

Originally Posted by Vanessa

so which one is it hun....x

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It would be but...this is BBUK not BBUSA. I think Raph is forgetting that the public can see what he is doing and ultimately our BB is a popularity contest, and people who purposely bitch on to try and get their 'friends' to kick off don't tend to go down too well He would be perfect for the US formula though as I don't think anyone in the house suspects what hes doing.

Having said that I don't want a happy happy house happy house happy house so he can continue. But his popularity will nosedive and if his friends are shown his sneakyness it could even leave him isolated through his own doing

Oh don't get me wrong I think what he's doing is fraught with danger and have said as much elsewhere, I hope he remembers that this production team have a penchant for exposing people's conversations. In the C4 era you could easily get away with stirring and no one finding out (which is what makes the current expose tasks so stupid), but not anymore.

The best course of action for him as a housemate I think would be to continue being 'supportive' of his friends (like he was with one of the sisters the other day in the bedroom) and to lay low and try to avoid nomination, but in terms of entertainment value I much prefer the stirring side. If he can strike a balance between the two he'll have my unreserved support

Originally Posted by vesavius

Oh ok... So you are saying that all his fans that state here that he did the ethically right thing and was just being a good friend are wrong and that he actually did intentionally dump his 'allies' into a fight for drama?

Yes. And I don't see the problem with it either - this is a TV show, not real life. We aren't living with these people, I couldn't care less who's 'fake' or 'real' so long as whatever persona they're presenting is contributing to the series. I've already conceded that under normal circumstances I'd be calling him a bore and have only been giving him a pass because he's a member, but if he actually continues to indirectly cause drama like he did tonight, I will support him in his own right

[Withano]

It was probably his worst episode apart from the launch, but I just think he hates confrontation.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It would be but...this is BBUK not BBUSA. I think Raph is forgetting that the public can see what he is doing and ultimately our BB is a popularity contest, and people who purposely bitch on to try and get their 'friends' to kick off don't tend to go down too well He would be perfect for the US formula though as I don't think anyone in the house suspects what hes doing.

Having said that I don't want a happy happy house happy house happy house so he can continue. But his popularity will nosedive and if his friends are shown his sneakyness it could even leave him isolated through his own doing

Exactly...it will backfire as the numbers dwindle. We all love a friend who reports back...but we love a friend more when they support you and speak up for you instead of leaving you to deal with it.
It will backfire bigtime.

[Vicky.]

I tend to like gameplayers. But Raphs game is one I do not usually like. Purposely playing victim and throwing his friends under the bus to keep attention away from himself. I do think BB will expose him soon and the **** will hit the fan as Hannah won't like being manipulated in the way she is being tbh

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes. And I don't see the problem with it either

Interesting. I can respect that point of view.

Personally, I can only get behind HMs I like, and I can't like a snide like him I guess.

But I do get where you are coming from.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I tend to like gameplayers. But Raphs game is one I do not usually like. Purposely playing victim and throwing his friends under the bus to keep attention away from himself. I do think BB will expose him soon and the **** will hit the fan as Hannah won't like being manipulated in the way she is being tbh

I like 'honest' gameplayers (Victor style), I just have a real problem with the sneaks that play the public and their 'friends' like we have seen Raph do.

I think you are right about him being exposed soon. His fall will be amazing to watch.

[Mystic Mock]

Chanelle grassed him up good and proper tonight.