[parmnion]

Looks to me like brexit is bigger than one parties capabilities.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Looks to me like brexit is bigger than one parties capabilities.

It would probably be sensible to switch to some sort of mass coalition based on voting percentages temporarily during a period of change like this... so it would be roughly 40% Con/Lab with the other parties having some representation too but then, it would get messy switching back at the end...

Really, it could simply be that Brexit isn't something that's handled solely by the current government but by a separate, independent group of negotiators and politicians sourced from all parties and operating outside of party allegiances. It's a major and permanent change, surely it shouldn't all be in the hands of the party that just happened to be in power at the time .

[parmnion]

I agree ts, even if the party in power had a great plan or whatever, the other side would just vote it down..so for me a clear 50/50 split between lab and con will do me...they can decide their representitives themsleves if they want...just sort it out.

[Withano]

I don't think its bigger, I think the Tories have just put out a few delay tactics so they can half-think of some sort of plan whilst distracting the public.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Withano

I don't think its bigger, I think the Tories have just put out a few delay tactics so they can half-think of some sort of plan whilst distracting the public.

I dont think either party want the job atm.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Withano

I don't think its bigger, I think the Tories have just put out a few delay tactics so they can half-think of some sort of plan whilst distracting the public.

I think you might be giving them too much credit there, though

[bitontheslide]

People have just got the concept of brexit totally wrong it seems to me. For whatever reason, it's been built up to be something much bigger, and static than it actually is. When we exit the EU we rejoin a dynamic market that will be constantly changing over the coming decades, so any decisions now are a starting point, nothing more. Which ever political party is in power at a given point over the coming decades will adjust our trading conditions in line with their political persuasions as and when they see fit. I have no idea why politicians are wringing their hands so much, its completely pointless. Our starting position will be as we are now, any transitions away from that will take years if not decades. I honestly think the only reason they are making a big deal of it, and I include all political parties in this, is to make themselves look important and vital to the general public.

[Scarlett.]

If only Terrible Theresa hadn't decided to trigger Article 51 before losing her majority, we could have been in some sort of shape to negotiate a good exit deal, now were up **** creek without a paddle and there's **** alligators circling us and a **** storm on the horizon

[joeysteele]

Not perhaps a general coalition govt.
However on brexit,yes.
There should be input and working equally together on this issue all through.
It should have been done that way from the start.

This issue will affect all elected UK govts of the future, to really get the best outcome with no real opposition needs the main parties at least involved equally in negotiations and planning beyond.

So yes,on the issue of brexit definitely at least a Con/Lab coalition should have been in place.
With strong representation consulted throughout from the additional Nations to England,which make up the whole of the UK.

[arista]

No Joey it would never work.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People have just got the concept of brexit totally wrong it seems to me. For whatever reason, it's been built up to be something much bigger, and static than it actually is. When we exit the EU we rejoin a dynamic market that will be constantly changing over the coming decades, so any decisions now are a starting point, nothing more. Which ever political party is in power at a given point over the coming decades will adjust our trading conditions in line with their political persuasions as and when they see fit. I have no idea why politicians are wringing their hands so much, its completely pointless. Our starting position will be as we are now, any transitions away from that will take years if not decades. I honestly think the only reason they are making a big deal of it, and I include all political parties in this, is to make themselves look important and vital to the general public.

Everything revolves around the falling pound and the falling pound affects everyone who uses it. Every decision on the table and every policy made about Brexit revolves around the impact it has on our currency and it aint looking good!

In the hear and now and as a direct result of Brexit, we are having to deal with inflation sitting higher than the average wage in a slowing economy. We have fewer assets than we did ten years ago and the assets we have left are falling in value. The wealthy (including the British government) are removing their wealth from British shores, quicker than rats on a sinking ship. This, of course, affects the GDP. The rest of us are standing on the Titanic hoping it doesn't hit the iceberg.

At the present time, we have no starting position because the Tory government has spent their entire time in office lining the pockets of the rich. Neoliberal economics can't survive in a single state and so the last thing we need is a bunch of neoliberal elites driving us towards Brexit.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not perhaps a general coalition govt.
However on brexit,yes.
There should be input and working equally together on this issue all through.
It should have been done that way from the start.

This issue will affect all elected UK govts of the future, to really get the best outcome with no real opposition needs the main parties at least involved equally in negotiations and planning beyond.

So yes,on the issue of brexit definitely at least a Con/Lab coalition should have been in place.
With strong representation consulted throughout from the additional Nations to England,which make up the whole of the UK.

Yes, of course, it should. What we need is a panel of expert economists and traders with no political leaning.

Good post Joey.