[Maru]

California could vote on separating into 3 states in November
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018...7421523592013/

California could vote on separating into 3 states in November

April 13 (UPI) -- A venture capitalist billionaire said he received enough signatures to get a measure on California's November ballot that asks voters if they want to split California into three states.

Tim Draper, the chairman of Cal 3, the organization pushing the measure, said they've obtained more than 600,000 signatures -- nearly twice the number needed to get on a state ballot -- and will present them to the California Secretary of State for verification.

"This is an unprecedented show of support on behalf of every corner of California to create three state governments that emphasize representation, responsiveness, reliability and regional identity," Draper said in a statement.

The measure would separate the Golden State into California, which will be the coastal area between Los Angeles and Monterey; Northern California, which will include everything north of Merced, including San Jose and San Francisco; and Southern California, which will include the area west of the new California and south of Los Angeles.

"The separate states are based on existing counties; statehood promotes a sense of community among residents and builds culture," Cal 3 says on its website. " Areas like Sacramento are currently run by powerful special interests like the Teachers' Union. Partitioning the state will help put the power back into the hands of the constituents. If the new state's elected officials aren't meeting the needs of the state's citizens, it will be easier to vote them out of power in the next election."

This isn't the first time Draper, an early investor in Tesla and Skype, has tried to divide California.

Back in 2014, he spearheaded a measure that would have asked voters to divide California into six states, but failed to win enough signatures.

Steven Maviglio, a longtime Democratic Party political consultant who helped lead the effort against Draper's 2014 measure, told the Marin Independent Journal that there's no official opposition group working against Cal 3, but said he and others have discussed it.

Maviglio criticized CAL 3 as a "a colossal waste of time."

"It's completely unworkable and ridiculous," Maviglio said. "It's kind of a shame with so many important issues facing the state that this wacky idea might appear on the ballot."

If voters were to approve Draper's ballot, it would still need to be approved by the state legislature and the U.S. Congress.

[Nicky91]

destroy California then, pathetic state being against our great president trump

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

destroy California then, pathetic state being against our great president trump

Nicky I think they would still all be part of the United States... just as three separate states instead of one.

[Toy Soldier]

I'd be lying if I said I'd looked into this at all but I actually am in favour of small, self-governed regions (which are then part of a larger country) as a general rule. I fully believe that doing so does give more of a voice to each individual citizen.

I personally think that the best thing for England, for example, would be to devolve regions and allow each to govern the day-to-day issues themselves with only the biggest national-and-international scale issues left to Westminster. So for example... you'd have a devolved City of London, a devolved Yorkshire, Lancashire, etc etc.

[Twosugars]

city of london? what about city of westminster or the rest of london? ;-)

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

city of london? what about city of westminster or the rest of london? ;-)

Well... in my dystopia, it would be London run as a city-state, and the Westminster government would be located IN London as a separate entity, but would not actually run London.

[Twosugars]

yeah, bring back city states! london would be awesome

ps. city of london is just the square mile, I queried coz wasn't sure what you meant re. london.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nicky I think they would still all be part of the United States... just as three separate states instead of one.

yeah, btw i find this California issue, a bit similar to what Catalonia wants to be independent from Spain

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well... in my dystopia, it would be London run as a city-state, and the Westminster government would be located IN London as a separate entity, but would not actually run London.

Would all the crappy parts of London, like the east and south, be included in the city state?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Would all the crappy parts of London, like the east and south, be included in the city state?

Yes

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'd be lying if I said I'd looked into this at all but I actually am in favour of small, self-governed regions (which are then part of a larger country) as a general rule. I fully believe that doing so does give more of a voice to each individual citizen.

I personally think that the best thing for England, for example, would be to devolve regions and allow each to govern the day-to-day issues themselves with only the biggest national-and-international scale issues left to Westminster. So for example... you'd have a devolved City of London, a devolved Yorkshire, Lancashire, etc etc.

You mean like federalism? That is how the US is set up now.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

yeah, bring back city states! london would be awesome

ps. city of london is just the square mile, I queried coz wasn't sure what you meant re. london.

Is it not a square mile that dictates everything ?

[hijaxers]

California is huge i think maybe this would be a good thing (for the people)

[Maru]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

California is huge i think maybe this would be a good thing (for the people)

[Underscore]

Wouldn't that be stupid? I mean the parts people want to supposedly break away from is the LA part or whatever and won't that generate the most money for the state?

[Maru]

It's going to be interesting to see how they handle resource mgmt in a state like CA if they split it up. Given the area is incredibly drought prone and natural disasters are regular.

There are some states in the US that I could see be worth merging in order to pool their resources.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

destroy California then, pathetic state being against our great president trump

Jfc

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Jfc

[2]

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Wouldn't that be stupid? I mean the parts people want to supposedly break away from is the LA part or whatever and won't that generate the most money for the state?

There are other areas of economic influence in CA. San Francisco would be in the northern state, for example. It looks like they're going for borderlines that evenly split the population.

Three Californias? Calexit effort joined by new state-splitting plan
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-...168118272.html

His newest measure, filed Friday, says the “political representation of California’s diverse population and economies has rendered the state nearly ungovernable.”

[arista]

I love California.

[Mitchell]

Thought Cal and Daniel-X were getting a divorce for a min

[Maru]

Originally Posted by arista

I love California.

Which one? There's going to be 3 Californias now...

[Maru]

Source: https://www.yahoo.com/gma/proposal-s...opstories.html

Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

California residents will get a chance to vote on a measure to divide the Golden State into three separate states, election officials said Tuesday.

Proponents of the CAL 3 initiative submitted more than 402,468 valid signatures as of Tuesday, making it eligible for the Nov. 6 general election ballot, according to the California Secretary of State’s office.

The office did not say exactly how many total signatures were submitted, but backers said the petition drew more than 600,000 from residents across the state’s 58 counties, dwarfing the 365,000 signatures required to qualify for the ballot.

Adding the initiative to the ballot would be the first step in a long process that would ultimately require approval from Congress.

The proposal, led by venture capitalist Tim Draper, would split the country’s most populous state into three new states of near-equal population: Northern California, California and Southern California, according to the proposal.

Northern California would include cities between the Bay Area and the Oregon border. Southern California would begin in Fresno and cover most of the southern state. The "new" California would cover Los Angeles County and much of the coast below San Francisco Bay, the proposal said.

California Secretary of State Alex Padilla will certify the initiative as qualified for the November ballot on June 28, his office said Tuesday.

Draper proposed similar measures in 2012 and 2014, but those efforts failed after election officials invalidated many of the signatures collected.

“The unanimous support for CAL 3 from all 58 of California’s counties to reach this unprecedented milestone in the legislative process is the signal that across California, we are united behind CAL 3 to create a brighter future for everyone,” Draper said in a statement in April after the signatures were collected.

Draper says the spilt would create three separate governments, boost education and infrastructure, and lower taxes, but critics claim it could do more harm than good.

“It’s not like you’re starting from scratch, you have to blow up everything,” Steven Maviglio, who helped defeat Draper’s previous effort, told local reporters earlier this year. “There are so many fundamentally flawed aspects to this.”

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Maru

Which one? There's going to be 3 Californias now...

Northern Cal will be the best.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Northern Cal will be the best.

My great aunt will be in NoCal