[Crimson Dynamo]

A Muslim gang attack a European Election rally in Oldham - I am astounded at the apathy of the police who seem to watch them hurl rocks etc?

Whether you like TR or not he is democratically standing in a UK election and should be able to campaign like everyone else.

Do you think that our police could do more here and why did they not is the debate?

Youtube video

[Beso]

Absolutely disgracefully. ..firstly hurling bricks at kids....these people need locked up for a long time..

Secondly the police seemingly doing nothing and having no control....well I guess that's par for the area.


****ing disgrace all round....if this was may or corbyn armed police and mounted officers would have been brought in.

[Nicky91]

[user104658]

They have to balance the risks when assessing what to do. A few officers can't tackle 10 people throwing rocks and would need to call in shielded riot police. Calling in shielded riot police is likely to turn 10 people throwing rocks into a full-scale riot.

I find that the police generally have a good handle on things in terms of proceeding in a way that will result in the least possible damage caused. The idea that the police going in fast and hard to "sort it out" will result in order being restored swiftly is extremely naive.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They have to balance the risks when assessing what to do. A few officers can't tackle 10 people throwing rocks and would need to call in shielded riot police. Calling in shielded riot police is likely to turn 10 people throwing rocks into a full-scale riot.

I find that the police generally have a good handle on terms of proceeding in a way that will result in the least possible damage caused. The idea that the police going in fast and hard to "sort it out" will result in order being restored swiftly is extremely naive.

Well worth the risk to protect a toddler being killed by flying rocks don't you think?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well worth the risk to protect a toddler being killed by flying rocks don't you think?

Parm the point is that it risks escalating the violence into a full riot where a lot MORE innocent people (including kids) end up getting hurt.

Personally, I think any parent who takes their kids to a Tommy Robinson event is being flat out negligent with their safety in the first place. A political rally is not a day out for your toddler, take them to the park FFS

[user104658]

Also... "Peaceful family events where people have brought their children" ... ...



Good to see that Tommy is inclusive of all family types, and is so accepting of families made up almost entirely of burly middle aged blokes. I mean really! It's like an episode of Brass Eye!

[Crimson Dynamo]

the MSM called the attackers "counter-demonstraters" even though they were bussed in thugs from miles away and this was not a demonstration

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the MSM called the attackers "counter-demonstraters" even though they were bussed in thugs from miles away and this was not a demonstration

LT if you put your picture next to the screenshot I took of the initial "family event" it becomes abundantly clear that this is a example of gang violence, and if you watch the video past the 1/4 way in mark it becomes clear that Tommy's event is a demonstration as he's riling up the crowd and shouting propaganda throughout.

It's a gang clash that some people were stupid enough to bring their kids into the middle of... and were encouraged to bring their kids to BY Tommy Robinson & co describing it as a "family event" knowing full well that it is not one. But having kids there generates a shocking image that he can use as further propaganda and to incite more clashes.

I think Tommy Robinson is a lot of things but I don't think he's an idiot, so the suggestion that he wasn't well aware of the likely outcome of these events is just ridiculous. Should these gangs exist? Should people be throwing rocks for any reason? Obviously not, but Tommy is actively ENCOURAGING people to bring their families into the middle of a hugely divisive political clash so that he can film it for YouTube ... and that is frankly ****ing unreal.

[thesheriff443]

Any one thats covering there faces on both sides are scum in my opinion.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Parm the point is that it risks escalating the violence into a full riot where a lot MORE innocent people (including kids) end up getting hurt.

Personally, I think any parent who takes their kids to a Tommy Robinson event is being flat out negligent with their safety in the first place. A political rally is not a day out for your toddler, take them to the park FFS

In this current climate of stabbings in parks and thinking back to the manchester arena attacks is anywhere safe to take your children?

[Ammi]

...is this not all part of his campaign...it looks quite set up to me...there were people up close when some things were being thrown but they seemed to be thrown in another direction...away from the crowd and into empty spaces..?...and the faces being covered, was that because this is all set up..hmmmm, just something doesn’t seem right with it ...

[bots]

you can bet that the police will have those involved under surveillance. I agree that democracy should be allowed to work, but TR is not an example of democracy in action. He is a divisive hate monger. He incites violence. Not saying the other bunch are any better, they are not .... but the police are best to pick these people off one by one outside of the confrontation.

[arista]

They need to photograph/video

everyone

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

In this current climate of stabbings in parks and thinking back to the manchester arena attacks is anywhere safe to take your children?

Nowhere in the world has ever been 100% safe but yes, a playpark in broad daylight is obviously a much safer place for a child than a Tommy Robinson rally. I find it genuinely bewildering that any parent would think that's an appropriate day out for a child. Utter madness.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nowhere in the world has ever been 100% safe but yes, a playpark in broad daylight is obviously a much safer place for a child than a Tommy Robinson rally. I find it genuinely bewildering that any parent would think that's an appropriate day out for a child. Utter madness.

it's one step down from the people that took their children to a "friendly" protest in the Lebanon. Same type of idiots involved.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...is this not all part of his campaign...it looks quite set up to me...there were people up close when some things were being thrown but they seemed to be thrown in another direction...away from the crowd and into empty spaces..?...and the faces being covered, was that because this is all set up..hmmmm, just something doesn’t seem right with it ...

It's a propaganda video through and through... it has an action movie soundtrack and ends with Nice Guy Tommy having a smiley chat with a kid .

It's not even that I disagree that the MSM under-reports on these things but boy would I love for there to be some sort of ACTUAL unbiased, objective report on what happened. All we get is MSM's "A rock and two Mars Bars were thrown", and a YouTube video emblazoned with "Vote Tommy Robinson" where he chats utter sh*te, interspersed with footage of him on a soap-box surrounded by drunk skinheads.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nowhere in the world has ever been 100% safe but yes, a playpark in broad daylight is obviously a much safer place for a child than a Tommy Robinson rally. I find it genuinely bewildering that any parent would think that's an appropriate day out for a child. Utter madness.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a propaganda video through and through... it has an action movie soundtrack and ends with Nice Guy Tommy having a smiley chat with a kid .

It's not even that I disagree that the MSM under-reports on these things but boy would I love for there to be some sort of ACTUAL unbiased, objective report on what happened. All we get is MSM's "A rock and two Mars Bars were thrown", and a YouTube video emblazoned with "Vote Tommy Robinson" where he chats utter sh*te, interspersed with footage of him on a soap-box surrounded by drunk skinheads.

...it just seems ‘set up’ also that it’s described specifically as a family, type rally with TR smiling lovingly at the children and shaking their hands etc...and then ‘movie style’ he’s bundling them in a car later and God speeding them to their safety away from nasty rock people...also when the rocks or bricks or whatever were thrown...?...if they were being thrown with purpose then why were they thrown into what seemed like an empty space at the side of the road...

[arista]

The Police are stuck in the middle


We need a TV News Video.


The BBC are no good sadly


This is making it all worse,

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

The Police are stuck in the middle


We need a TV News Video.


The BBC are no good sadly


This is making it all worse,

This is the problem Arista, main Stream TV news editors do not want to show muslim gangs throwing rocks at UK political campaigning, trying to shut down democracy in action.

The question is why not?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This is the problem Arista, main Stream TV news editors do not want to show muslim gangs throwing rocks at UK political campaigning, trying to shut down democracy in action.

The question is why not?

Because it incites further violence, is the most likely reasoning, especially when accompanied by propaganda.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm not promoting anything, I'm just asking questions.

[Ammi]

...should the police be taking more action../...should the TV news channels be reporting more...?...it’s all very decisive and very toxic as it all feeds into the mindset of vigilantism and we as a general public must take action...and No one knows how much of these things are staged for that very reason and if it seemed that the police are ‘not doing enough’ ...that could be the reason....

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This is the problem Arista, main Stream TV news editors do not want to show muslim gangs throwing rocks at UK political campaigning, trying to shut down democracy in action.

The question is why not?

Dispatches Ch4HD
or BBC Panorama must do a Docu'
Show it after The Eu Election results on Sunday.


You would think this will be on BBC Politics Live
today 12:15PM
so long as they have their own BBC report.