[Kate..]

I've never known the answer to this question...

and no one will ever know for sure i suppose

but what does everyone think???

ghosts? Heaven? Nothing...?

[Dr43%er]

Nothing. That's what I think.

[Harry!]

come back as something else...

[Conor]

I beleive in heaven, but I also beleive some people are left behind as ghosts/spirits.

[Sod_James]

I would like to fink of life after death but i fink the sad reality is that theres nothing there. You just die and thats it your life is over.

[Retroman]

People base heaven on writings in a book...
A book written by varied people, many many years ago, who we don't know enough about to even establish whether they were sane or not.

Nobody can say they know, not one person.
Nobody that's alive at least =]

As for my opinion, I think we just plain die.

Animals, insects and plant life are all forms of life...yet nobody associates any of them with heaven.

So why do humans get special treatment? why are our lives valued enough to transport us to a special place when we die?

Because we're the only life form intelligent enough to know we will die, and thus we live comfortably in a world of denial...where we insist that dying = going to the best place possible.

It's also very appropriate how all religious matters, places and people are either dead or invisible. No religiously miraculous people are alive today, such as an equivalent of Jesus or Moses..and God, Heaven etc are all magical places we cannot see.

In my view...
Heaven was invented when people didn't know what was in the sky.
Hell was invented when people didn't know what was deep below the ground.

Now we know about the universe, about molten lava and the earths core etc...we appropriately change our minds and say "heaven is on another plane, in a special invisible place outside of our world"

Not only that, but God created ten commandments for us to live by...
But then proceeds to say if we truly repent, he will forgive us.

So he made ten rules that you're allowed to break, as long as you're sorry =]
It's all based on conveniance, which comforts us into knowing we'll almost definitely get into heaven whether we live by gods rules or not.

Instead of accepting the truth that we will disappear and cease to exist.
That's my view anyway.

[Captain.Remy]

I trust in God but I think after death there is nothing, you are dead youa re dead for good.
But we don't know after all, we will see when our time is up lol

[Conor]

Nicley written Retroman!

But I also trust in God that there is heaven and life after death!

[supernoodles!]

I beleive that there must be something after death,you cannot just die and then that be it.I refuse to believe that but maybe its just wishful thinking lol.I beleive in ghosts but I am uncertain as to wether or not i beleive that everyone becomes a ghost after death,and as for heaven and hell,i dont know?I sure do hope not!lol
(not that ive ever done anything REALLY bad or anything lol)

[Kate..]

Originally posted by Sod_James
I would like to fink of life after death but i fink the sad reality is that theres nothing there. You just die and thats it your life is over.

that's my view too its a shame

allso scary when you know someone that's died

[Sarah.]

You just end up 6 feet under.

[Ruth*Star]

I always thought you'd come back as someone else, like you go and start again as a baby.

[Scarlett.]

its silly saying there is nothing

[Kate..]

nothings really silly cause no one can no for sure

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by Retroman
People base heaven on writings in a book...
A book written by varied people, many many years ago, who we don't know enough about to even establish whether they were sane or not.

Nobody can say they know, not one person.
Nobody that's alive at least =]

As for my opinion, I think we just plain die.

Animals, insects and plant life are all forms of life...yet nobody associates any of them with heaven.

So why do humans get special treatment? why are our lives valued enough to transport us to a special place when we die?

Because we're the only life form intelligent enough to know we will die, and thus we live comfortably in a world of denial...where we insist that dying = going to the best place possible.

It's also very appropriate how all religious matters, places and people are either dead or invisible. No religiously miraculous people are alive today, such as an equivalent of Jesus or Moses..and God, Heaven etc are all magical places we cannot see.

In my view...
Heaven was invented when people didn't know what was in the sky.
Hell was invented when people didn't know what was deep below the ground.

Now we know about the universe, about molten lava and the earths core etc...we appropriately change our minds and say "heaven is on another plane, in a special invisible place outside of our world"

Not only that, but God created ten commandments for us to live by...
But then proceeds to say if we truly repent, he will forgive us.

So he made ten rules that you're allowed to break, as long as you're sorry =]
It's all based on conveniance, which comforts us into knowing we'll almost definitely get into heaven whether we live by gods rules or not.

Instead of accepting the truth that we will disappear and cease to exist.
That's my view anyway.

That opinion is very upsetting to believe. i do believe in god and jesus and heaven, i do really want to believe that when i leave this world that there is something better waiting for me. to say what you say is almost blasphomy. maintaining that the bible is possibly written by insane people, you are not a believer i guess? atheist, yes!

i will agree with you that nobody could know for sure because it was so long ago, but peoples faith is genuine through the ages and all those churches standing there and all those people who want to pray and sing hymns there and believe. your words would be blasphemous to many of those believers and it sadly bothers me too

i understand your point about inects plant life not being mentioned when we talk about heaven, god and jesus i dont understand why, i guess there must be a reason? perhaps they just werent important enough to add to the bible. also you cant say that insects and plant life havent the intelligence to knoiw, as none of us know what they think and feel

we cant see radio waves but we can hear the music so we know it is real. true believers of god believe in signs from god and understand completely, if you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole

heaven and hell is there, it is what i believe and others in their billions believe. for any atheist it is easier to turn away from it than believe in it. just because you cant see it means nothing. nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us

We have become so knowledgable about our planet and our universe and what is out there but the unansered question remains, where is heaven and hell? like I said that answer shal await us all at the time of our demise

To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion, but they dont coincide with mine and i am a believer like i said, so even though i cant really prove anything to you it all comes down to faith and faith is evrything

[Retroman]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
That opinion is very upsetting to believe. i do believe in god and jesus and heaven, i do really want to believe that when i leave this world that there is something better waiting for me. to say what you say is almost blasphomy. maintaining that the bible is possibly written by insane people, you are not a believer i guess? atheist, yes!

i will agree with you that nobody could know for sure because it was so long ago, but peoples faith is genuine through the ages and all those churches standing there and all those people who want to pray and sing hymns there and believe. your words would be blasphemous to many of those believers and it sadly bothers me too

i understand your point about inects plant life not being mentioned when we talk about heaven, god and jesus i dont understand why, i guess there must be a reason? perhaps they just werent important enough to add to the bible. also you cant say that insects and plant life havent the intelligence to knoiw, as none of us know what they think and feel

we cant see radio waves but we can hear the music so we know it is real. true believers of god believe in signs from god and understand completely, if you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole

heaven and hell is there, it is what i believe and others in their billions believe. for any atheist it is easier to turn away from it than believe in it. just because you cant see it means nothing. nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us

We have become so knowledgable about our planet and our universe and what is out there but the unansered question remains, where is heaven and hell? like I said that answer shal await us all at the time of our demise

To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion, but they dont coincide with mine and i am a believer like i said, so even though i cant really prove anything to you it all comes down to faith and faith is evrything

Lol my statement wasn't to imply the bible could possibly be made by insane people, but more to point out that people/characters who we really didn't know, are to blame for the books presence in our world. And im not sure im willing to trust any faith to the book those men produced.

Blasphemous? it's all well and good claiming im offending your beliefs, but perhaps your views are offending mine?
You can't make out im condeming your religion because I disagree with it, unless you're willing to admit you're condeming my views too.

I told you what I believe, in the same way you told me what you believe...so I don't think we should be dragging blasphemy into the situation. Not unless I told you that you were wrong in what you believe.

As for insects/plants knowing they'll die, they don't have access to thoughts of such a level...plants don't have any "knowing" or "thoughts" at all, and insects aren't much better.

Animals know they'll die to a certain extent, their instinct tells them that if they're injured they may die...but their brains don't tell them that growing old = death. But I suppose you can argue that im not an animal so how should I know? but neither of us are animals, so I guess our views on that are equally pointless lol.

Radio waves are scientifically proven, we know they're there because we can view them through technology.

"If you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole"

Im sorry but I think that was highly wrong of you to say. You're practically saying that because you believe in god, that means you're 100% right and I [a non believer.] need forgiveness for being blind.

You can't force your beliefs on me like that and tell me I need forgiving, that's not your place to do so sorry.

As for billions, there's only 6 billion people in the world...
Are you telling me billions of those are christians just like you? in todays world? most unlikely. Also, just because many people believe what you believe doesn't mean a thing, just as many people are non religious too =] or believe in different religions to you, so that's irrelevant.


"heaven and hell is there"
This is a debate. If you're wanting to debate, you can't pass off your own beliefs as truth like that...that's not how a debate works. Heaven and hell is there for YOU yes, but not for everyone. So that thought is best left in your head.


"nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us"

How do we officially know it's there? if only dead people can see it? that's impossible. Also, what magic rule allows this place to be visible to only dead people? how can that happen? you can't explain it..hence why I don't think it's true.

Have you noticed that everything that exists has an explanation? and all the things that don't exist such as santa/monsters etc have no explanation? and religion has no proper explanation either.


"To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion,"

So I guess you know gods ways do you? then please tell me his ways and how he works =]

I know fully about gods so called "ways" as all his "ways" are written down for all to see. Unless you're claiming you have had a godly experience where he revealed his ways to you...?
Otherwise you know as much about god as anyone else who can read.

[spitfire]

Until i see proof i believe in nowt.So imo when your dead thats it,game over.So enjoy it whilst you can guys.

[spitfire]

One thing i do find freaky is,if you take 1 letter from good you get god,if you add one leter to evil you get devil!

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy

That opinion is very upsetting to believe. i do believe in god and jesus and heaven, i do really want to believe that when i leave this world that there is something better waiting for me. to say what you say is almost blasphomy. maintaining that the bible is possibly written by insane people, you are not a believer i guess? atheist, yes!

i will agree with you that nobody could know for sure because it was so long ago, but peoples faith is genuine through the ages and all those churches standing there and all those people who want to pray and sing hymns there and believe. your words would be blasphemous to many of those believers and it sadly bothers me too

i understand your point about inects plant life not being mentioned when we talk about heaven, god and jesus i dont understand why, i guess there must be a reason? perhaps they just werent important enough to add to the bible. also you cant say that insects and plant life havent the intelligence to knoiw, as none of us know what they think and feel

we cant see radio waves but we can hear the music so we know it is real. true believers of god believe in signs from god and understand completely, if you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole

heaven and hell is there, it is what i believe and others in their billions believe. for any atheist it is easier to turn away from it than believe in it. just because you cant see it means nothing. nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us

We have become so knowledgable about our planet and our universe and what is out there but the unansered question remains, where is heaven and hell? like I said that answer shal await us all at the time of our demise

To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion, but they dont coincide with mine and i am a believer like i said, so even though i cant really prove anything to you it all comes down to faith and faith is evrything

Sorry, but Christianity, like other religions is just pagan sun worship where the sun has been given a name and a human persona.

[Sunny_01]

I wish we knew for sure what happens!

I "choose" to believe that there is something else, not necessarily angels and harps, but some kind of re-birth or somewhere that our souls go!

I would never assume to force my beliefs, religious persuasions onto anyone else, we all have our own thoughts and beliefs. Just because someone else has a different opinion to me on this doesnt mean they are wrong, just means they think differently to me.

[supernoodles!]

i dont wish i knew what happens it would be so so so scary if we knew that say heaven and hell existed or that we were reincarnated i mean who wants to be an animal??

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
i dont wish i knew what happens it would be so so so scary if we knew that say heaven and hell existed or that we were reincarnated i mean who wants to be an animal??

me I would love to be an animal, but only a pampered pet lol.

Seriously though I understand why you would not want to know what happens, it is quite a scary thought to be fair.

[gracie24]

I've studied so many different Philosophers ideas on life after death that they all make sense but I'm still not fully sure what I believe in.
I don't really believe in white, fluffy, angel type heaven though.

KissyLittleMissy - just because people do not believe in God, or are atheists, does not mean that they are bad people, or ignorant people. Many people find comfort in believing in God, which is probably how you've been bought up or chosen to make that decision yourself. You shouldn't take an offence to someone being an atheist as I do not get upset or offended because you believe in God. Religion is a comfort thing, such as actually beliving in life after death, that you can communicate with your loved ones once they've passed away, a lot of people couldn't even get through life if they knew that once you die you just die.
Everyone has their own personal beliefs but you shouldn't take such offence because of someone elses.

[Kate..]

its a scary thought especially when you know someone that's died i mean what if u knew that out there they were a worm or something lol

[Sticks]

According to Christian theology, and taken from Luke 16, When a person dies their soul goes to Hades, the Greek abode of the dead - good or bad, (The hebrew equivelant is Sheol). Hades is divided into two, Abraham's Bosom or Paradise where the Blessed dead are, and Torment where the others go. Some refer to this place as Tartarus, where in Greek Mythology, it was as far below Hades as the Earth was below Heaven. It was where the Titans who tried to overthrow Zeus were imprisoned. Tartarus is also mentioned in one of the Peter epistles as the place where angels who rebelled were kept in chains in darkness (interesting parallel with Greek Mythology)

At the end of time, those in Abraham's Bosom go to Heaven and those in Tartarus go to Gehenna (Hell). Incidentally Gehenna comes from the name of a valley South West of Jerusalem, where in Old Testament times, infant children were burned alive in sacrifice to the false god Molech. It subsequently became the local rubbish dump and was constantly burning a slow burn, hence the identification with the place of eternal punishment.

If you are in Christ you go to paradice and subsequently Heaven, otherwise you end up in Hell. In Christian theology, Hebrews 9:27 (If I have the right citation) rules out reincarnation, which is Hinduism, which I may discuss later.