[Josy]

So after tonights LF and cucumbergate, who's side are you on?

Even though they will probably be BFF's tomorrow again...

[Benjamin]

Hazel tbh.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Ben

Hazel tbh.

Same.

And most members know I'm not exactly Hazels biggest fan.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Josy

Same.

And most members know I'm not exactly Hazels biggest fan.

Ditto, I've ranted so much about Hazel, but Charlie has done my head in for ages now and is honestly becoming a really annoying housemate and this just topped it off.

[YodaBB]

Originally Posted by Ben

Ditto, I've ranted so much about Hazel, but Charlie has done my head in for ages now and is honestly becoming a really annoying housemate and this just topped it off.

Surprisingly Charlie has become worse since Jackie left

[karezza]

Hazel. Charlie is too annoying.

[CaudleHalbard]

Hazel absolutely.

Hazel is not even someone I'd wish to meet, but I can recognise her better qualities as well as her not so good ones. One very tough cookie!

[YodaBB]

I just missed the argument , so will make my judgement when I see footage

[karezza]

Originally Posted by YodaBB

I just missed the argument , so will make my judgement when I see footage

Charlie attacked Hazel with a cucumber and almost blinded the Irish model.

[Vicky.]

Hazel. Charlie is being absolutely ridiculous.

[smudgie]

Hazel. Charlie is making an ass of herself

[Marsh.]

It's the monotone, drawling way she rambles on. I'd have to hold a pillow over her.

I'm surprised more housemates haven't backed up the mention of Charlie's drinking after the way she suddenly snapped at Callum last week.

It's obvious why Jackie was as overbearing with her as she was, the girl has no self control.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

It's the monotone, drawling way she rambles on. I'd have to hold a pillow over her.

I'm surprised more housemates haven't backed up the mention of Charlie's drinking after the way she suddenly snapped at Callum last week.

It's obvious why Jackie was as overbearing with her as she was, the girl has no self control.

Charlie would have learned control and many more things without an overbearing mother. She is Charlies main problem. Has this woman now aged 27, EVER been allowed to make her own decisions for anything? All I saw when J was in the house was her constant demeaning attitude towards Charlie. Jackie seems to live her life through her adult off-spring,she said herself she cant bear to be apart from them and has to "keep herself busy" when she is ????? Control and neediness in the extreme.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by anne666

Charlie would have learned control and many more things without an overbearing mother. She is Charlies main problem. Has this woman now aged 27, EVER been allowed to make her own decisions for anything? All I saw when J was in the house was her constant demeaning attitude towards Charlie. Jackie seems to live her life through her adult off-spring,she said herself she cant bear to be apart from them and has to "keep herself busy" when she is ????? Control and neediness in the extreme.

Not really a good situation to judge off. In the house they lived on top of each other 24/7, as Jackie said, in the real world they don't see each other all the time, they have their own lives. Jackie doesn't interfere in Charlie's love life or friendships, but the BB house isn't a comparable situation.

But if we were to take her as an overbearing mother, it's like the chicken and the egg. We don't know these people in the real world so we don't know which caused the other. Charlie's "stuff" that she went through may have stunted her personal growth causing Jackie to be overbearing, or Jackie's overbearing could have stifled Charlie. We'll never know for sure.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Not really a good situation to judge off. In the house they lived on top of each other 24/7, as Jackie said, in the real world they don't see each other all the time, they have their own lives. Jackie doesn't interfere in Charlie's love life or friendships, but the BB house isn't a comparable situation.

But if we were to take her as an overbearing mother, it's like the chicken and the egg. We don't know these people in the real world so we don't know which caused the other. Charlie's "stuff" that she went through may have stunted her personal growth causing Jackie to be overbearing, or Jackie's overbearing could have stifled Charlie. We'll never know for sure.

I don't believe for one second that Jackie doesn't interfere in every aspect of Charlies life . She knows best on every topic and is often quite aggressive to prove her point. Her passive aggressive behaviour with Callum was ridiculous. Observing them together in the house led me to my conclusions that's all I can say. I know that half heartedly Charlie agreed with her mother on the boyfriend interference, but is there ever any point in anyone disagreeing with Jackie.That usually led to dismissive and cold response. It was very telling that a woman of 59 cannot be apart from her adult off-spring, one or the other of them.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by anne666

I don't believe for one second that Jackie doesn't interfere in every aspect of Charlies life . She knows best on every topic and is often quite aggressive to prove her point. Her passive aggressive behaviour with Callum was ridiculous. Observing them together in the house led me to my conclusions that's all I can say. I know that half heartedly Charlie agreed with her mother on the boyfriend interference, but is there ever any point in anyone disagreeing with Jackie.That usually led to dismissive and cold response. It was very telling that a woman of 59 cannot be apart from her adult off-spring, one or the other of them.

They're locked in a house 24/7, of course they would be around each other. Who said she can't be apart from them? She made friends of her own in the house too.

Throwing projections about how you think they live their regular life is ridiculous. BB is far from a regular situation. Many housemates have said they found themselves acting out of the ordinary in that situation.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by anne666

I don't believe for one second that Jackie doesn't interfere in every aspect of Charlies life . She knows best on every topic and is often quite aggressive to prove her point. Her passive aggressive behaviour with Callum was ridiculous. Observing them together in the house led me to my conclusions that's all I can say. I know that half heartedly Charlie agreed with her mother on the boyfriend interference, but is there ever any point in anyone disagreeing with Jackie.That usually led to dismissive and cold response. It was very telling that a woman of 59 cannot be apart from her adult off-spring, one or the other of them.

..didn't Jackie say that this would be the longest they had spent together for a very long time..I don't think they see much of each other outside the house and although Jackie may have a strong personality she said they argued all the time which to me means that Charlie hasn't allowed her mum to control her in any way...

[CaudleHalbard]

Charlie is incredibly immature for a woman of 27. Can't help feeling the mother is to blame to some extent.

Even the teenage twins can show more maturity (well sometimes!)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Charlie is incredibly immature for a woman of 27. Can't help feeling the mother is to blame to some extent.

Yes... I can't work out whether Jackie is a bit overbearing / nervous / controlling because Charlie is how she is (quite immature, a bit of a teenager really) OR... If Charlie is stuck in that teenage phase because Jackie won't let her spread her wings and soar into adulthood. Soar...

[SurfersCreed]

Is there anywhere I can see Charlie v. Hazel/ cucumber gate?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by SurfersCreed

Is there anywhere I can see Charlie v. Hazel/ cucumber gate?

Type "2 Girls, 1 Cucumber" into google.

[mr rochester]

For once I am with Hazel - Charlie drinks too much and makes such a twit of herself when she does. On and on and on and on...and on...Why do drunken people repeat themselves so much? We heard and understood first time...

[anne666]

Originally Posted by mr rochester

For once I am with Hazel - Charlie drinks too much and makes such a twit of herself when she does. On and on and on and on...and on...Why do drunken people repeat themselves so much? We heard and understood first time...

Yes , she is quite capable of repeatedly boring us all to death without drink but with it AAGH !!! Imagine living with that !!

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by mr rochester

For once I am with Hazel - Charlie drinks too much and makes such a twit of herself when she does. On and on and on and on...and on...Why do drunken people repeat themselves so much? We heard and understood first time...

Callum told CHarlie she was right so she probably felt she had some backup. He then weaseled out of it later. The smart HM's ie Gina, Dexter made sure they stayed out of it.

[Jemal]

I couldn't give a flying fk tbh. I just wana see a cat fight