[Kizzy]

What the heck is this?....

Is this a joke? What has he done except spout hitleresque, it's all a little unnerving.

'Nigel Farage has been named “Briton of the year” by The Times, which hailed his “game-changing” politics.

The newspaper chronicled the Ukip leader’s journey from the 2010 general election, when he quite literally crashed to the earth in a light aeroplane that became entangled with its trailing party banner.

To add insult to injury as he recovered in hospital on results day, he failed to unseat former Commons Speaker John Bercow. But since then his fortunes have appeared to take a dramatic turn for the better.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9946110.html

He doesn't warrant or deserve this title, it's all very strange.

[Crimson Dynamo]

An excellent choice and well deserved

[Kizzy]

Give me one good reason why...just one.

[arista]

Originally Posted by ArchAngel

Give me one good reason why...just one.

He is Liked


of course - not by you

[Ninastar]

saw this on FB and don't know if its true whether he's actually 'racist' or not, but I agree with basis of it

[Vicky.]

Its an insult to the people he was nominated with really

I saw this on FB last night and assumed it was a joke

[Crimson Dynamo]

The man has shaken UK politics out of the doldrums and is real. Great choice by the Times

[Kizzy]

Define 'shaken things up'...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ArchAngel

Define 'shaken things up'...

He has taken UKip to a credible political party that will be a real alternative to the moribund lib/lab/con choice.

He has shown that real people can do politics

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

He has taken UKip to a credible political party that will be a real alternative to the moribund lib/lab/con choice.

He has shown that real people can do politics

Does it warrant Briton of the year though...

He doesn't 'do' politics. politics do him, do you think that he would have the exposure he has if he wasn't part of the establishment?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ArchAngel

Does it warrant Briton of the year though...

He doesn't 'do' politics. politics do him, do you think that he would have the exposure he has if he wasn't part of the establishment?

A worthy winner of the Times category yes

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

A worthy winner of the Times category yes

Who owns the Times?

[Josy]

Even if you completely disagree with his parties views you cant disagree that he has had a big influence on politics this year.

The constant shouts of outrage at every little thing that's publicised about him is actually laughable.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by ~HO~HO~HO~

Even if you completely disagree with his parties views you cant disagree that he has had a big influence on politics this year.

The constant shouts of outrage at every little thing that's publicised about him is actually laughable.

Shouts by whom.. if what he and the representatives of is party said weren't so offensive there would be nothing to be outraged at would there?

He has influence, is it enough to give Briton of the year for that's the question.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ~HO~HO~HO~

Even if you completely disagree with his parties views you cant disagree that he has had a big influence on politics this year.

The constant shouts of outrage at every little thing that's publicised about him is actually laughable.

I'm not disputing his effect. I have rather enjoyed watching his 'rise to power' tbh, and watching every other party cowering and crapping themselves. Hell he even united Milliband and Cameron

However, when you see the other potentials...it seems a bit of a pisstake that Farage won

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm not disputing his effect. I have rather enjoyed watching his 'rise to power' tbh, and watching every other party cowering and crapping themselves. Hell he even united Milliband and Cameron

However, when you see the other 3 nominated...it seems a bit of a pisstake that Farage won

I dont think anyone was nominated that is just a typical mawkish facebook teenagers post above and has nowt to do with the Times (Nina saw it on facebook and posted it)

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

I dont think anyone was nominated that is just a typical mawkish facebook teenagers post above and has nowt to do with the Times (Nina saw it on facebook and posted it)

It's from the huffington post too, are they also 'mawkish'?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ArchAngel

It's from the huffington post too, are they also 'mawkish'?

Yes it would seem from the pathetic attempt at trying to question the decision by the Times

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by ~HO~HO~HO~

Even if you completely disagree with his parties views you cant disagree that he has had a big influence on politics this year.

The constant shouts of outrage at every little thing that's publicised about him is actually laughable.

Well said.

The issue troubling the great British public above all others is immigration. Every poll confirms this. Speaking to ordinary people in the street confirms this.

This concern does not make these people 'Racist'.

This concern is just why Nigel Farage and his UKIP party are gaining in popularity with the Great British Public.

This is a democracy.

The Majority of people in this Democracy have been increasingly concerned about unfettered imigration for years now.

The Majority of people in this Democracy have 'suffered in silence' while their elected representatives have persistently lied to them about immigration, or ignored their concerns.

Labour MP's have been 'warned' by their leaders not to talk about immigration.

The Conservatives are trotting out the same old rhetoric on immigration which they always have before doing spectacular 'U' turns on the subject, or lying to try to cover up their total impotency on dealing with the issue.

The Majority are not stupid and do not 'swallow' everything that Farage is saying, nor do they necessarily agree with all elements of his party's manifesto, but he is the only political party leader willing to talk about the very real issue of immigration, and the only political party leader with the balls to at least propose some type of real action for dealing with it.

People can scream 'Racist' or 'Homophobic' from the rooftops - it will change nothing, because they are in a Minority and in a Democracy, the Majority will have its way.

Farage may prove to be a liar or totally impotent, but for now, there is no evidence to support such a theory. With the Conservatives and Labour, there is a long history of both parties being proven liars and a wealth of evidence to confirm their political impotency.

The Majority in this Democracy may just be electing to ignore the disproportionate 'scare mongering' about Farage, and might just be seriously regarding him as the 'lesser of three evils'.

Who knows; Farage and UKIP might just prove to be the best political party in the UK for 50 years, and let's face it - they could hardly be any worse than those we have had.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The issue troubling the great British public above all others is immigration.

"above all others"? No.

The Majority of people in this Democracy have been increasingly concerned about unfettered imigration for years now.

Maybe? Doubt it.

The Majority of people in this Democracy have 'suffered in silence' while their elected representatives have persistently lied to them about immigration, or ignored their concerns.

No. The majority of people are too busy watching the X factor and drinking too much beer or wine to pay much attention.

The Majority are not stupid and do not 'swallow' everything that Farage is saying, nor do they necessarily agree with all elements of his party's manifesto

Correctish, but more correct:

The Majority are stupid but still do not 'swallow' anything that Farage is saying, nor do they necessarily agree with any of the elements of his party's manifesto

People can scream 'Racist' or 'Homophobic' from the rooftops

They should

it will change nothing

Sadly true, but

because they are in a Minority

Not for this reason. They aren't a minority.

and in a Democracy, the Majority will have its way.

Bzzzzzt. Wrong.

Farage may prove to be a liar

Doubt he's a liar exactly, I'm sure he believes his own garbage. Most of this sort do.

Or totally impotent

The Majority in this Democracy may just be electing to ignore the disproportionate 'scare mongering' about Farage, and might just be seriously regarding him as the 'lesser of three evils'.

No.

Who knows; Farage and UKIP might just prove to be the best political party in the UK for 50 years

No.

they could hardly be any worse than those we have had.

They really, really could.



I'm not convinced you actually understand what the word "majority" means, Kirk. Nor, apparently, do you really comprehend how democracy works in a non-binary decision. To make it binary, remove all other considerations that split the vote. UKIP vs "anything but UKIP". UKIP is then a teeny, tiny minority. People are dumb. They're not THAT dumb. The MAJORITY of people know that Farage and Co are casually racist arseholes. Thankfully.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I have not bothered commenting on the rest of your post T.S. because you merely contradict without giving grounds for your contradiction. And thus it is only a difference of opinion - nothing more, nothing less.

"I'm not convinced you actually understand what the word "majority" means, Kirk. Nor, apparently, do you really comprehend how democracy works in a non-binary decision. To make it binary, remove all other considerations that split the vote. UKIP vs "anything but UKIP". UKIP is then a teeny, tiny minority. People are dumb. They're not THAT dumb. The MAJORITY of people know that Farage and Co are casually racist arseholes. Thankfully"

I understand what the word "majority" means, T.S., as I comprehend how democracy works in a 'non-binary decision'.

I do not think, however that you understood my post (it seems to be an increasingly prevalent trait on here now - maybe it's me? No. It's not).

I was not referring to Farage and UKIP winning any election, therefore 'teeny, tiny' minorities do not come into it - I was referring to UKIP increasing in popularity - nothing more, nothing less.

As for: "People are dumb.They're not THAT dumb. The MAJORITY of people know that Farage and Co are casually racist arseholes. Thankfully".


Well, I do not believe that people are as dumb as you make them out to be - hence the increasing support for Farage and UKIP.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I was not referring to Farage and UKIP winning any election, therefore 'teeny, tiny' minorities do not come into it - I was referring to UKIP increasing in popularity - nothing more, nothing less.

No, you repeatedly (and with an underline) stated various things about the "Majority" of people. Increasing support does not indicate a "Majority" by any stretch of the imagination. The (vast) "Majority" of people still, thankfully, dislike Farage / Ukip and their xenophobic politics. The minority of people who support Ukip is increasing, but that doesn't in any way make it a majority. It makes it a slightly larger minority.

You also emphatically stated that "in a democracy, the Majority will have its way". Which is untrue to the point of being utter nonsense... the majority of people in the UK didn't want a conservative government, and they certainly didn't want a twisted Tory coalition government, and yet we have one.

Stating with such certainty that "the majority" of people share your political concerns is deluded fantasy, Kirk. Sorry.

[joeysteele]

Briton of the year, surely this is only because he is rarely off the TV screens or in other media.
I doubt it means 'good' Briton of the year really, just the one in the spotlight more.

Who votes in these things anyway.

[Livia]

All this thread says to me is that someone doesn't have any kind of understanding of Hitler, or the term "Hitleresque".

It's like saying Miliband is like Stalin. Ridiculous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

All this thread says to me is that someone doesn't have any kind of understanding of Hitler, or the term "Hitleresque".

It's like saying Miliband is like Stalin. Ridiculous.

Yes Milliband is far more like Wallace than Stalin