[Crimson Dynamo]

After what can only be described as a calamitous campaign and election

Where now for Labour?

[Kazanne]

I think they would have done better changing their leader.

[bots]

1. New leader that is a flawless communicator and that has no connection with previous labour governments

2. Fiscal responsibility

3. Policies that are attractive to the the majority of the electorate, not just what their existing supporters want to hear

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think they would have done better changing their leader.

Yes 6 months ago

[Crimson Dynamo]

Cost Ł30,000

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Cost Ł30,000

Can you imagine the melt down if Cameron had done that,you couldn't write it could you?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Cost Ł30,000

Pathetic
Made no change to the results

[armand.kay]

Ed </3

[Denver]

Chuka Umunna please

[Northern Monkey]

Millibland.Immigration /thread

[arista]

[Labour grandee Lord Mandelson, appearing on the Andrew Marr
show this morning, tore into Ed Miliband's 'useless' leadership
– accusing him of ignoring middle class voters
and sounding like he 'hated' the rich]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3ZjQqRy8u


I posted this on Josh thread
but it needs to go on LT's thread
as well.


Ed Stupidly
dumped "New" Labour.

[Pete.]

Milibean, SNP and catastrophic campaign

[Kizzy]

I still wouldn't pick up 'new' Labour or any Blairite values. I never thought I'd say this but I hope the next opposition leader is a bit more ruthless in his counter attacking, Miliband was dignified enough to not respond harshly to slurs.... I say that changes and they are as savage.
I'm backing Rachel Reeves but I don't know if she personally is ready for that role yet.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I still wouldn't pick up 'new' Labour or any Blairite values. I never thought I'd say this but I hope the next opposition leader is a bit more ruthless in his counter attacking, Miliband was dignified enough to not respond harshly to slurs.... I say that changes and they are as savage.
I'm backing Rachel Reeves but I don't know if she personally is ready for that role yet.

But the next leader could be that
Kizzy

We do not know who is running for leader
let alone that MP you met

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

But the next leader could be that
Kizzy

We do not know who is running for leader
let alone that MP you met

Then I may have to rethink my support again, I won't blindly follow any party.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then I may have to rethink my support again, I won't blindly follow any party.

OK
Respect to you

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then I may have to rethink my support again, I won't blindly follow any party.

not kizzy moving to Scotland following Nicola?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not kizzy moving to Scotland following Nicola?

Where did you get that?... :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Chuka Umunna said Labour had not sounded like it respected people who aspired to earn more money (the wealth creators)

Too much focus on poor people and ignoring all the others


Too much bollocks about talking to people on doorsteps


memo to labour - no one likes speaking to anyone on their doorstep so feck off and stop doing it - did you know about the internet?

[Jay.]

they got on the wrong side of the newspapers

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jay.

they got on the wrong side of the newspapers

they only really have the vile Mirror

[GiRTh]

The question should be what now for Ukip?

Ed was completely unelectable. Not sure who can replace him but he just was not right

[JoshBB]

I think they tried to pander to the xenophobic rhetoric of the anti-immigration debate, which is deeply unpopular for those on the left of politics. They really need to win back voters who have left them for the SNP and greens.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I think they tried to pander to the xenophobic rhetoric of the anti-immigration debate, which is deeply unpopular for those on the left of politics. They really need to win back voters who have left them for the SNP and greens.

The problem was that in England all the new labour voters backed the Conservatives. It is English wealth creators they need to win back. Labour should have campaigned as the party for England and English pride.

[joeysteele]

Look,first of all let's look at the facts.

The Conservatives added only 0.8% to their votes from 2010.
They in effect managed to hold onto just about who voted for them last time.
They also had not the numbers to be blown away in Scotland either.

I talked to many people on their doorsteps and often got invited in too,a great many people enjoy being 'visited' and have the chance to speak to someone face to face as to their thoughts and worries as to elections.
In the main, Labour won over enough in seats in some areas of England but not enough.

I went to the Midlands and that was my home area before Uni, I found more hostile views as to Labour there than really anywhere else.
In the 8 Constituencies,I and the team I was with worked tirelessly and really hard in,only 1 didn't fall to Labour,that was Worcester, a Midlands seat and ironically the main town around where I was born.

Seats like Great Grimsby that should have fallen didn't, Rotherham was predicted to be a nightmare result for Labour,the MP did really well there and even Rotherham council stayed Labour too.

In some parts the message did get above the media circus of opinion polls and who will do a deal with who.
In a fairly big way, I would say that was actually achieved on the doorsteps rather than on TV.

What I did find was that Labour should have been willing to offer a referendum on the EU too, that was a big mistake.
Labour also allowed the media to present them as anti business and them then just dismissing the criticism didn't help at all.

However,there are a lot of factors as to what went wrong,in the end the numbers didn't come and that was that.
However Labour added 1.5% to their votes.
Also despite UKIP coming 2nd in a lot of their seats too, UKIP fell well short of winning any at all except for Hartlepool.

Sadly too, the leader was the wrong choice,that now has to be admitted, there was the view that more wanted a Labour led govt; than a Conservative one,possibly that was correct.
The other fact is,although I will never be able to see why,by a large margin voters preferred David Cameron over Ed Miliband.

This is in fact a really poor election for Labour, the other fact is,had there been no meltdown for the Lib Dems, things would have been considerably worse.
Although,the Conservative overall majority would have been much further away but for that Lib Dem meltdown too.

Scotland was predicted to be going to be a nightmare for all the UK parties,however even holding all their seats there, would have still left them with only 273 seats,58 seats behind the Conservatives.
A long look at why things went so right in London and in other parts of England but not particularly in the Midlands and the South,may or may not give some answers.

What is needed is a new leader now,who can hold the unity in place,be much more open on the economy with straightforward language for voters.
I felt,enough had been done from the feedback of the constituencies I helped in,not to win or get anywhere near 300 seats even, but to have a chance of being the largest party.

On the day, that didn't come about.
Really as to why,will take a lot of scrutiny into everything.