[hot2go]

We've seen him go for Renee and Heavy after they betrayed him....Do you think he should go for Saira and Ricky next and when he does will you feel sorry for them ?

[Gusto Brunt]

Bear should play it safe. Look in the mirror and throw insults at himself.

[Glenn-C]

Why does he have to go for anyone though?

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Defizo

Why does he have to go for anyone though?

Because they watched Aubrey spit in his food and serve it to him ...Motor Mouth Saira chose for once in her life to stay quiet and Ricky actually laughed about it.
If Bear goes for them will everyone see them as Bears victims or will they see them as the people who stood by and watched him get violated ?

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Because they watched Aubrey spit in his food and serve it to him ...Motor Mouth Saira chose for once in her life to stay quiet and Ricky actually laughed about it.
If Bear goes for them will everyone see them as Bears victims or will they see them as the people who stood by and watched him get violated ?

if he goes for them for this reason, and he does it in a clever, non-violent but concise, upfront way then i wouldn't see them as victims. if he goes about it in his normal manner, then i'd not feel particualrly sorry for them but would dislike him even more.

when i say clever and upfront, i mean for him to use his brain and confront them directly about the issue without arguing - just to tell them he knows what they did, how they allowed him to consume her stuff, and how they have no right to preach to anyone about anything concerning the morality of other housemates. it won't happen that way.

his next target is aubrey, and he's been fairly straight about that to the viewers - he's sticking her up for eviction every time he gets the chance. and that is fair enough. i don't even mind him playing her by letting her think he's cool with her ridiculous apology. she deserves it. she lies straight to his face, i have no problem with him returning that favour.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Jan S

if he goes for them for this reason, and he does it in a clever, non-violent but concise, upfront way then i wouldn't see them as victims. if he goes about it in his normal manner, then i'd not feel particualrly sorry for them but would dislike him even more.

when i say clever and upfront, i mean for him to use his brain and confront them directly about the issue without arguing - just to tell them he knows what they did, how they allowed him to consume her stuff, and how they have no right to preach to anyone about anything concerning the morality of other housemates. it won't happen that way.

his next target is aubrey, and he's been fairly straight about that to the viewers - he's sticking her up for eviction every time he gets the chance. and that is fair enough. i don't even mind him playing her by letting her think he's cool with her ridiculous apology. she deserves it. she lies straight to his face, i have no problem with him returning that favour.

Oh yeh he's def gonna go for Aubrey and she knows it too....I think how Bear got his revenge last night was brilliant.....shame he lost his cool in the garden when he was on his own but he didn't lose his cool in front of Renee and Heavy...he wound them up brilliantly...no threats, no punches, no violence.....just completely stitched em up...then the idiot went and threw a bottle at the mirrors and that undid everything that had been good up to that point....in the eyes of a lot of people.

[Amy Jade]

I think he shouldn't 'go for' anyone. He should act his age though.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I think he shouldn't 'go for' anyone. He should act his age though.

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[Liam-]

No-one because I don't condone bullying.

[Jan S]

he's probably waiting for lewis to condone it first before acting on it; will he go for ricky, though? does he know ricky knew about the spitting thing? last night they were having a very matey chit chat in the garden after his return to the house... not that i'd trust bear on the strength of that at all.

not 100% sure, but wasn't lewis shown saying he'd gone right off D and that he was a muppet/arsehole whatever before bear exacted his revenge? pretty sure it was prior to the row but i could be wrong. even so, lewis sits back and pulls all the strings, and was probably hoping bear or D would lose it enough to get the boot... nearly worked, too.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Jan S

he's probably waiting for lewis to condone it first before acting on it; will he go for ricky, though? does he know ricky knew about the spitting thing? last night they were having a very matey chit chat in the garden after his return to the house... not that i'd trust bear on the strength of that at all.

not 100% sure, but wasn't lewis shown saying he'd gone right off D and that he was a muppet/arsehole whatever before bear exacted his revenge? pretty sure it was prior to the row but i could be wrong. even so, lewis sits back and pulls all the strings, and was probably hoping bear or D would lose it enough to get the boot... nearly worked, too.

You're def right about Lewis....smiling assassin he is....and I don't know if Bear will find out about Saira but if he does I hope he wipes the floor with her....see how Miss Moral High Ground defends herself against being far far less than perfect herself.

[y.winter]

The question should end after "should Bear go?"
and the answer is yes.

[Withano]

Is your question a sadist thing? Its pretty uncomforting.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Withano

Is your question a sadist thing? Its pretty uncomforting.

The question is to see just how much people are prepared to defend Aubrey and those who were in on it. If I was Bear I would not rest knowing they had done that to me and I would make sure they didn't get off Scot free.
If he targets them next I will support him.....I will not see them as his victims, I see him as theirs.

Nothing to do with being a sadist ...what a ridiculous and sh-t stirring thing to say.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The question is to see just how much people are prepared to defend Aubrey and those who were in on it. If I was Bear I would not rest knowing they had done that to me and I would make sure they didn't get off Scot free.
If he targets them next I will support him.....I will not see them as his victims, I see him as theirs.

Nothing to do with being a sadist ...what a ridiculous and sh-t stirring thing to say.

Who is defending Aubrey though? I haven't seen that.
Bear should be a grown up and tell Aubrey and BB that he intends to get advice on what action he should take about someone contaminating his food/drink with their saliva and BB letting him consume it, end of story.
All this 'get back' at you stuff is so childish and pathetic.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

Who is defending Aubrey though? I haven't seen that.
Bear should be a grown up and tell Aubrey and BB that he intends to get advice on what action he should take about someone contaminating his food/drink with their saliva and BB letting him consume it, end of story.
All this 'get back' at you stuff is so childish and pathetic.

People defend Aubrey by not voicing their disapproval just like Saira, Ricky, Renne and Chloe...the reaction on here to what Aubrey did is tiny in comparison to the reaction to what Bear did last night ....I see a huge discrepancy in that variance, esp as what Aubrey did was so much worse than anything done so far in the house.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

People defend Aubrey by not voicing their disapproval just like Saira, Ricky, Renne and Chloe...the reaction on here to what Aubrey did is tiny in comparison to the reaction to what Bear did last night ....I see a huge discrepancy in that variance, esp as what Aubrey did was so much worse than anything done so far in the house.

That just shows though that Bear is a controversial figure and Aubrey a bit of a non - entity. People talk more about those very much in the spotlight, it's always been the same, nothing to do with favouritism in most cases.
I agree that the HM's who witnessed her spitting in his meal shouldn't have let her serve it, no way.

[Missunique]

This thread is sick. It's one thing being strategic with voting but you just want him to bully people. No thank you.

[Mystic Mock]

It would depend on what Saira and Ricky did to have Bear target them.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It would depend on what Saira and Ricky did to have Bear target them.

They watched Aubrey Gob in his dinner before serving it to him...they said nothing to stop her and Ricky even laughed about it.
Strange how that act of violence, and those who witnessed it and encouraged it, didn't have as big a reaction on here as Bear smashing a mirror....I guess some people on here think the idea of someone coughing up spit into their food wouldn't bother them.

[Northern Monkey]

Bear should spunk in the Mayo

[Withano]

I just don't understand your point. Aubrey was terrible, she was punished. We both got a bit turned off by her.
Bear was terrible, he was punished but you like him no less because?? Its not his fault? Because he got hit worse?
Should Bear now confront others?? Obviously no? I dont understand why you hate to see Bear a victim but love to see him victimise, go for, and confront other people.
I dont understand your point at all.
I get that your mad that people didnt condone Aubrey much but why is revenge by attacking Saira and Ricky an answer? I dont understand why any of this makes sense for you.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Withano

I just don't understand your point. Aubrey was terrible, she was punished. We both got a bit turned off by her.
Bear was terrible, he was punished but you like him no less because?? Its not his fault? Because he got hit worse?
Should Bear now confront others?? Obviously no? I dont understand why you hate to see Bear a victim but love to see him victimise, go for, and confront other people.
I dont understand your point at all.
I get that your mad that people didnt condone Aubrey much but why is revenge by attacking Saira and Ricky an answer? I dont understand why any of this makes sense for you.

I think some of the housemates have got off lightly over the Aubrey incident and as yet have neither had to stand up for it or apologise for it....BB have let it slide ...that is why I hope it comes out and Bear can challenge them about it.

I'm not defending Bear blindly....i know he's a wind up merchant and can be a little sh-t a lot of the time. He was stupid to throw the bottle across the yard and of course he was called to the diary room. I'm not defending him over that. But I don't agree with him being left in a state of distress in the diary room, like I didn't agree with Saira being flashed at and I didn't agree with Aubrey spitting ..I also defended Biggins even tho he was wrong because I understood why he may have his views even tho I think they're incorrect.
It's not about defending soneone cause I like them, I don't like Biggins or Saira. I find Bear entertaining but I wouldn't have felt any more comfortable watching any housemate locked up and distressed.
BB don't have the right to hold someone when that someone is showing signs that they want to get out. They did it to Jason too....it's a big place big brother, of course they can't allow then back to meet the others but they can surely take them some where or at least send someone in to calm them down and be with them.
I think Bear should and has every right to confront Saira and Ricky over the spitting incident. I was curious to know what others thought and if they will defend those two when he does.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I think some of the housemates have got off lightly over the Aubrey incident and as yet have neither had to stand up for it or apologise for it....BB have let it slide ...that is why I hope it comes out and Bear can challenge them about it.

I'm not defending Bear blindly....i know he's a wind up merchant and can be a little sh-t a lot of the time. He was stupid to throw the bottle across the yard and of course he was called to the diary room. I'm not defending him over that. But I don't agree with him being left in a state of distress in the diary room, like I didn't agree with Saira being flashed at and I didn't agree with Aubrey spitting ..I also defended Biggins even tho he was wrong because I understood why he may have his views even tho I think they're incorrect.
It's not about defending soneone cause I like them, I don't like Biggins or Saira. I find Bear entertaining but I wouldn't have felt any more comfortable watching any housemate locked up and distressed.
BB don't have the right to hold someone when that someone is showing signs that they want to get out. They did it to Jason too....it's a big place big brother, of course they can't allow then back to meet the others but they can surely take them some where or at least send someone in to calm them down and be with them.
I think Bear should and has every right to confront Saira and Ricky over the spitting incident. I was curious to know what others thought and if they will defend those two when he does.

I think its best to agree to disagree. To me youre saying that two wrongs do make a right.. But only when it applies to Bear?
He abused his power in the task, he goaded Heavy, he aggressively threw things across the garden.. Simply because he was called out for goading heavy and he was getting aggressive in the DR.. But none of this matters because Ricky and Saira didnt rush to Bears rescue and you would like to see them confronted for it despite not begging for further consequences for Bear.

Your opinions on the matter are truly difficult to follow, especially because you keep calling others hypocritical.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think its best to agree to disagree. To me youre saying that two wrongs do make a right.. But only when it applies to Bear?
He abused his power in the task, he goaded Heavy, he aggressively threw things across the garden.. Simply because he was called out for goading heavy and he was getting aggressive in the DR.. But none of this matters because Ricky and Saira didnt rush to Bears rescue and you would like to see them confronted for it despite not begging for further consequences for Bear.

Your opinions on the matter are truly difficult to follow, especially because you keep calling others hypocritical.

I'm not being hypocritical ...you must have misunderstood my post ....if I think something is wrong I defend the person who was subjected to that wrong weather I like them or not ...I defended Saira, Biggins, James and now Bear. Defending Bear over one incident does not make me a hypocrite. When he's in the wrong I don't defend it.
And this is BB where waiting to see housemates reactions to the wrongs are part of why a lot of people like to watch it.....depends what the wrong was....James pouring coffee over Bear was an example of that...and Bear thumbing his nose at Renee is another.....and if Bear has a run in with Saira over the spitting that will be another. It's not about two wrongs make a right it's about how housemates react and respond to each thing that happens....and for every action there is always a reaction and this year a lot of them are behaving badly in their reactions not just Bear.
He's no better or worse than some of the others, he's just more entertaining and spontaneous than they are.