[Brillopad]

Looking at the rest of Europe it suggests it is. What a great place to live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OY_KUNqQ4

[user104658]

Link is ****ed so dunno.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Link is ****ed so dunno.

Hard Working TS
Sweden is in a mess , now

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Hard Working TS
Sweden is in a mess , now

Not as much of a mess as Brillo's link

[Cherie]

It opened for me fine, that's scary ****

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not as much of a mess as Brillo's link

Brillo's link is in working order. :roll eyes:

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Brillo's link is in working order. :roll eyes:

The video is indefensible "hence it's not working" is a handy dodge

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Link is ****ed so dunno.

Yep, don't know what went wrong.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Looking at the rest of Europe it suggests it is. What a great place to live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OY_KUNqQ4

Scarey stuff brillo,it will happen eventually,lets see how the PC brigade explain things then.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Scarey stuff brillo,it will happen eventually,lets see how the PC brigade explain things then.

I hope the brave guy on the mobility scooter was ok. They turned their attentions to him apparently but that is when the filming stopped. No boundaries.

[Kizzy]

There are no go areas here where gang violence is rife already though, this would be the scene if you walked in with a film crew in many areas of London for instance, obviously it desperately needs addressing.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There are no go areas here where gang violence is rife already though, this would be the scene if you walked in with a film crew in many areas of London for instance, obviously it desperately needs addressing.

It does if we want to be able to live in a safe country and even more importantly want our children to grow up in a safe country. This country is becoming more violent and dangerous by the day.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It does if we want to be able to live in a safe country and even more importantly want our children to grow up in a safe country. This country is becoming more violent and dangerous by the day.

What would be a solution?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What would be a solution?

I think there are a combination of reasons including migration, government policies and the creation of an environment where certain things cannot be discussed and therefore don't get addressed as they should - just escalating the problems.

What would you suggest?

[user104658]

A large part of the issue with the violence though is gangs / gang culture in London. E.g. The majority of these "acid attacks" are gang related. And yes, if we're being honest, there are many young 2nd / 3rd generation immigrants who end up in gangs, but this tends to be down to poverty and social stagnation, which exists across the board in our cities. Even if you completely halted all immigration, 100% of it, our cities would still have problems with gangs... The problem is a social and economic one that goes far beyond immigration.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A large part of the issue with the violence though is gangs / gang culture in London. E.g. The majority of these "acid attacks" are gang related. And yes, if we're being honest, there are many young 2nd / 3rd generation immigrants who end up in gangs, but this tends to be down to poverty and social stagnation, which exists across the board in our cities. Even if you completely halted all immigration, 100% of it, our cities would still have problems with gangs... The problem is a social and economic one that goes far beyond immigration.

But don't you think many immigrants are their own worst enemy in this respect. If they make little or no attempts to assimilate i.e. learning to speak English or improving their language skills they will have problems. Learning to speak the lingo is a fundamental skill required to learn most other things.

I really don't see the problems - learning basic English and maths skills are free to non-English speakers, they have plenty of time to work on it and have others they can go to these classes with. We bend over backwards to help with these things. They need to adopt the attitude most of us do that, other than benefits, nothing is handed on a plate and they have to work for it.

It really is difficult to sympathise with people who have that mentality. So what do they do - as you say they often resort to gangs and violence and criminal activity, probably not that far removed from where they 'escaped' from.

Is it really simply a case of you can take the man out of the third world but you can't take the third world out of the man.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But don't you think many immigrants are their own worst enemy in this respect. If they make little or no attempts to assimilate i.e. learning to speak English or improving their language skills they will have problems. Learning to speak the lingo is a fundamental skill required to learn most other things.

I really don't see the problems - learning basic English and maths skills are free to non-English speakers, they have plenty of time to work on it and have others they can go to these classes with. We bend over backwards to help with these things. They need to adopt the attitude most of us do that, other than benefits, nothing is handed on a plate and they have to work for it.

It really is difficult to sympathise with people who have that mentality. So what do they do - as you say they often resort to gangs and violence and criminal activity, probably not that far removed from where they 'escaped' from.

Is it really simply a case of you can take the man out of the third world but you can't take the third world out of the man.

But plenty of the people in these gangs aren't immigrants. Large numbers are, simply because large numbers of people in the areas of cities prone to gang culture are, but it's certainly not confined to immigrant populations. And in fact, even when it is immigrant families, it tends to be 2nd/3rd generation youths born and raised in Britain, schooled in England, and who speak English as their FIRST language, who end up in these gangs. I'd say the gangs are more often than not "culturally English", in fact. So your final statement doesn't really explain why it happens.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But plenty of the people in these gangs aren't immigrants. Large numbers are, simply because large numbers of people in the areas of cities prone to gang culture are, but it's certainly not confined to immigrant populations. And in fact, even when it is immigrant families, it tends to be 2nd/3rd generation youths born and raised in Britain, schooled in England, and who speak English as their FIRST language, who end up in these gangs. I'd say the gangs are more often than not "culturally English", in fact. So your final statement doesn't really explain why it happens.

I disagree that gangs are culturally English. I feel the gang mentality is something that has been brought here from third world countries. Gangs are rife in countries such as Africa and South America as is violence, rape and criminal activity - far worse than here.

[Tom4784]

'They aren't culturally english! They aren't white!'

TS has hit the nail on the head, gang culture is a social and economic issue rather than a race one.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'They aren't culturally english! They aren't white!'

TS has hit the nail on the head, gang culture is a social and economic issue rather than a race one.

Where exactly is the social and economic issue. All those living here have access to free education, free health care and free benefits (where needed) - everyone is equal in that respect.

Those from immigrant families have much more opportunities (especially 2nd/3rd generations) than they would likely have had if born into the countries their parents/grandparents came from. Many do do well. For those that don't there has to be an element of self-responsibility. You can't just keep blaming everything on us - it's a cop-out.

If you want to keep harping on about skin colour - I would like to know how many white gangs there are in comparison to non-white gangs. I think it is obvious there are a lot less white gangs - so how does that make gangs culturally English. That makes no sense.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Where exactly is the social and economic issue. All those living here have access to free education, free health care and free benefits (where needed) - everyone is equal in that respect.

Those from immigrant families have much more opportunities (especially 2nd/3rd generations) than they would likely have had if born into the countries their parents/grandparents came from. Many do do well. For those that don't there has to be an element of self-responsibility. You can't just keep blaming everything on us - it's a cop-out.

If you want to keep harping on about skin colour - I would like to know how many white gangs there are in comparison to non-white gangs. I think it is obvious there are a lot less white gangs - so how does that make gangs culturally English. That makes no sense.

The majority of gangs are mixed-race (as in, they have white, black, Asian, middle eastern, the works).

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Where exactly is the social and economic issue. All those living here have access to free education, free health care and free benefits (where needed) - everyone is equal in that respect.

Those from immigrant families have much more opportunities (especially 2nd/3rd generations) than they would likely have had if born into the countries their parents/grandparents came from. Many do do well. For those that don't there has to be an element of self-responsibility. You can't just keep blaming everything on us - it's a cop-out.

If you want to keep harping on about skin colour - I would like to know how many white gangs there are in comparison to non-white gangs. I think it is obvious there are a lot less white gangs - so how does that make gangs culturally English. That makes no sense.

You’ve clearly never lived in London. White gangs around London tend to be well organized units that earn themselves a lot of money. In Central and East London the white gangs (gangsters) are notorious. These aren’t the teenagers that get out of hand on a Saturday night, they are organized crime syndicates that provide drugs, finances and sort out and rid people of stolen goods and credit card fraud and its been going on for decades.

Remember the Cray twins? Well they were small fry compared to Eddie Richardsons mob. Gangland rivalry amongst London whites has been going on since before our grannies were born and its still going on today with people like Curtis ‘cocky’ Warren who’s run multi £million cannabis smuggling operations. What about the feared Adams family (Terry the Godfather Adams) or Scull cracker Wheatley who earned his nick from pistol whipping his victims round the head. Dave Courtney’s gang is still going strong. I’ve met Courtney on the club scene in London. He comes in flanked by bodyguards built like brick ****houses.

White gangs in London are organized crime gangsters and a lot more lethal than your average teenage gang. Though they do pull in the small fry gangs to do their dirty work.

And then of course we have the massive football fan gangs who are white.

Edited to add the notorious white gypsy gangs.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You’ve clearly never lived in London. White gangs around London tend to be well organized units that earn themselves a lot of money. In Central and East London the white gangs (gangsters) are notorious. These aren’t the teenagers that get out of hand on a Saturday night, they are organized crime syndicates that provide drugs, finances and sort out and rid people of stolen goods and credit card fraud and its been going on for decades.

Remember the Cray twins? Well they were small fry compared to Eddie Richardsons mob. Gangland rivalry amongst London whites has been going on since before our grannies were born and its still going on today with people like Curtis ‘cocky’ Warren who’s run multi £million cannabis smuggling operations. What about the feared Adams family (Terry the Godfather Adams) or Scull cracker Wheatley who earned his nick from pistol whipping his victims round the head. Dave Courtney’s gang is still going strong. I’ve met Courtney on the club scene in London. He comes in flanked by bodyguards built like brick ****houses.

White gangs in London are organized crime gangsters and a lot more lethal than your average teenage gang. Though they do pull in the small fry gangs to do their dirty work.

And then of course we have the massive football fan gangs who are white.

Edited to add the notorious white gypsy gangs.

So you have mentioned some apparently well known white gangs spread across how many years/decades I don't know. But how proportionate are they to black/Asian gangs, especially today. Most violent crime including the use of guns and knives and murder that we see on the news seem to involve black gang members and there has been a definite rise in sex related crimes committed by Asian men. We hear more and more about these kind of crimes daily and they are worrying times for all. We have to address this.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So you have mentioned some apparently well known white gangs spread across how many years/decades I don't know. But how proportionate are they to black/Asian gangs, especially today. Most violent crime including the use of guns and knives and murder that we see on the news seem to involve black gang members and there has been a definite rise in sex related crimes committed by Asian men. We hear more and more about these kind of crimes daily and they are worrying times for all. We have to address this.

If we make a comparison with blacks, Asians, mixed race gangs and white gangs, the white gangs would come out on top. The white gangs that really make up the numbers are the football hooligan firms. They are massive in comparison to all other gangs in the UK

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Where exactly is the social and economic issue. All those living here have access to free education, free health care and free benefits (where needed) - everyone is equal in that respect.

Those from immigrant families have much more opportunities (especially 2nd/3rd generations) than they would likely have had if born into the countries their parents/grandparents came from. Many do do well. For those that don't there has to be an element of self-responsibility. You can't just keep blaming everything on us - it's a cop-out.

If you want to keep harping on about skin colour - I would like to know how many white gangs there are in comparison to non-white gangs. I think it is obvious there are a lot less white gangs - so how does that make gangs culturally English. That makes no sense.

Only if you delude yourself into thinking that. There's more people reliant on food banks than ever before, the gap between rich and poor has never been bigger and the economy is in a state where the poor are squeezed for every penny they have while the government are happy enough to keep the loopholes that allow the rich to dodge taxes because the Tories don't want to piss on their own shoes.

If you think everything is fine and dandy with the economy and the social issues it creates then you are willfully ignorant and your second paragraph only proves it to be true. Escaping one's circumstances is not easy for most people and the circumstances that they are born into certainly isn't their fault. The fact that you have a 'them and us' attitude says it all really, you wouldn't be saying this about white British people in the same circumstances.

It's hysterical and quite typical of you to think that there aren't that many white gang members. There are plenty of white gangs, as DR said, hooliganism is still massive and most hooligan gangs are mostly white. From personal experience, the only gang members I've ever known have been white, same with drug dealers. Gang culture isn't about race, it's about social and economic issues. Gangs suddenly didn't spring up overnight because of immigration. You are just looking for reasons to justify your racism.