[Swan]

usually spat with venom, as if being the gender i was born as is a bad thing.

Anyway, before i knew what cis meant, i had to look it up -


https://young.scot/get-informed/nati...identity-terms

Some the terms are perfectly reasonable, but some are just utterly ridiculous imo, and complete overkill.

[MB.]

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

[Withano]

Originally Posted by MB.

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

The clap emoji wouldn’t do this justice
This is an excellent post.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by MB.

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

Tea

[Swan]

Originally Posted by MB.

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

I want address this post and make perfectly clear im not bothered if certain people want to label me, or other white males with 'cis or sis (i don't even know the right one now, some people are saying cis, others are saying sis)'. I was just interested how some of the terms can realistically work? It has nothing to do with being victim, although some people seem determined to read 'im a victim' into any post from a 'cis gender' to suit their own agenda.

I don't personally identify as 'cis' because imo it's just more unnecessary, and unneeded PC nonsense. That doesn't mean to say im against those who identify in whatever they see fitting for them.

Some terms are just silly though.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Swan

I want address this post and make perfectly clear im not bothered if certain people want to label me, or other white males with 'cis or sis (i don't even know the right one now, some people are saying cis, others are saying sis)'. I was just interested how some of the terms can realistically work? It has nothing to do with being victim, although some people seem determined to read 'im a victim' into any post from a 'cis gender' to suit their own agenda.

I don't personally identify as 'cis' because imo it's just more unnecessary, and unneeded PC nonsense. That doesn't mean to say im against those who identify in whatever they see fitting for them.

Some terms are just silly though.

It's just a short term for "born as male/female" I don't get how that's PC? It seems literally anything remotely related to transpeople is just labelled as PC.

Also, you know what, I'd love for some members on here to walk a week in a transperson's shoes and see how privileged they feel. Gotta love that feeling of the government wanting to limit your rights, that feeling of constant threat from bigotted people who'd love to beat you to a pulp for simply being who you want to be. Also, generally I see the idea that "transpeople want to be a man/woman" and actually, no, we just want to be ourselves, we don't want to copy another person's personality.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dia.

It's just a short term for "born as male/female" I don't get how that's PC? It seems literally anything remotely related to transpeople is just labelled as PC.

Also, you know what, I'd love for some members on here to walk a week in a transperson's shoes and see how privileged they feel. Gotta love that feeling of the government wanting to limit your rights, that feeling of constant threat from bigotted people who'd love to beat you to a pulp for simply being who you want to be. Also, generally I see the idea that "transpeople want to be a man/woman" and actually, no, we just want to be ourselves, we don't want to copy another person's personality.

Genuine question would you rather just be called a woman though, why do we need to differentiate trans women from women because that is after all what you transitioned to be ?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Genuine question would you rather just be called a woman though, why do we need to differentiate trans women from women because that is after all what you transitioned to be ?

I prefer to be referred to as a woman, really the "Trans____" terms are only used to differentiate when needed such as in discussions like these. Most of the time transpeople prefer to be refered to as the gender they transitioned to without the 'trans' moniker

[MB.]

Either that or you're debating effeminate gays who can't stop calling you 'sis'

[Swan]

Nah im not really ar*ed if people wanna call me cis or whatever, i just think some of the terms are rather humours and could be very easily exploited. If im cis im cis, idk lol.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Nah im not really ar*ed if people wanna call me cis or whatever, i just think some of the terms are rather humours and could be very easily exploited. If im cis im cis, idk lol.

can I ask what you want to achieve by making this thread

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Ant.

can I ask what you want to achieve by making this thread

Well im curious on how some of these terms, like gender fluid for example can't be, and aren't exploited?

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Well im curious on how some of these terms, like gender fluid for example can't be, and aren't exploited?

But those terms are exploited...

[Beso]

Sorry swan..I meant sis..my spellchecker and reading glasses fault, not mine.

[Jessica.]

I used that term while replying to some of your post because there happens to be a lot of trans men in the world who are straight and white and not gay but don't have the same privilege as a cis guy.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I used that term while replying to some of your post because there happens to be a lot of trans men in the world who are straight and white and not gay but don't have the same privilege as a cis guy.

What privilege are they missing out on, in your opinion?

(I actually agree with you, but I have reasoning behind it, and I'd be interested to see what yours is)

[Ant.]

From the diversity thread:
"I don't agree with them because they are wrong. I am aware of the world around me and it's not the wonderland that so many people are making it out to be. Straight white cis men are the most privileged people in our countries and even though they face some issues of their own it is not because they are straight white cis men or spotty or ugly. "
(Can't directly quote since it's locked but have a look yourself)

And in this thread, Jessica explains why she used "cis" in conversation:

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I used that term while replying to some of your post because there happens to be a lot of trans men in the world who are straight and white and not gay but don't have the same privilege as a cis guy.

Am I missing something?

[Saph]

A lot of them seem to mean the same sort of thing

[Livia]

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

Not all women are ciswomen. It’s a word to differentiate you from a transwoman as “woman” alone doesn’t actually do that...

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

Yes, I don’t see the point.
I have never felt the urge to have to tell anyone in passing I am a woman, never mind yet another label, a cis woman.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Yes, I don’t see the point.
I have never felt the urge to have to tell anyone in passing I am a woman, never mind yet another label, a cis woman.

This is an odd comment to make.

Who said you have to introduce yourself as a woman or cis woman? The term woman already exists and you never took issue with that one?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

This is an odd comment to make.

Who said you have to introduce yourself as a woman or cis woman? The term woman already exists and you never took issue with that one?

Don't come for Mama Smudgie

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Don't come for Mama Smudgie

Too late!

*holds her in headlock*

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

This is an odd comment to make.

Who said you have to introduce yourself as a woman or cis woman? The term woman already exists and you never took issue with that one?

To be fair, if I was going to introduce myself it would simply be by my first name.
If I said I was a cis woman in my circle of friends they wouldn’t have a clue what I was on about.
We are at an age where labels don’t count for a thing, we take things, especially people, on face value.
Live and let live.