[arista]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-to-reform-uk


[The former Conservative party chair
Sir Jake Berry has joined Reform UK
in the most high-profile defection so
far to Nigel Farage’s party from the Tories.

In a fresh blow to Kemi Badenoch,
the former cabinet minister
said his former party had
“abandoned the British people” and said he
wanted to see Reform UK form
the next government.

Berry, a close ally of Liz Truss and Boris Johnson,
led the “northern powerhouse”
group of MPs but lost his seat at
the 2024 election.
He said the Conservatives and Labour
had “wrecked” the country over
the past 20 years.]

[Mystic Mock]

Isn't Reform just going to develop the same problems that the Tories currently have?

After all these people were apart of that party that ran this country to the ground.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Isn't Reform just going to develop the same problems that the Tories currently have?

After all these people were apart of that party that ran this country to the ground.

The way they are going
they could replace the Conservatives.


Their Leader, Kemi, is the problem

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

The way they are going
they could replace the Conservatives.


Their Leader, Kemi, is the problem

Kemi weren't the problem when David Cameron was the leader.

And they were still an abomination back then.

[arista]

Another Conservative has joined Reform UK
David Jones in Wales


[Former Conservative cabinet minister
and MP David Jones has joined Reform UK.
Jones, who stepped down as a
Conservative MP ahead
of last year's election,
said he had become "disillusioned" by his old
party and that only Reform was "demonstrating
the determination needed to tackle
the country's many problems".

The former Welsh Secretary added
that he would not seek elected office for
Reform but would
"give the party my full support
in the elections ahead".

He becomes the third former Tory MP
to join Nigel Farage's party in
the last two weeks, following Ross Thomson
and Anne Marie Morris.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93kwk00gkgo

[Liam-]

The party that’s apparently going to ‘save’ the country, filling up with the very people who helped bring it to its knees, you’ve got to laugh

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The party that’s apparently going to ‘save’ the country, filling up with the very people who helped bring it to its knees, you’ve got to laugh

Exactly! More people need to look at the direction Reform is going in, it isn't the "progress" that these people were originally hoping for.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly! More people need to look at the direction Reform is going in, it isn't the "progress" that these people were originally hoping for.

Had Sunak and Starmer had the best interests of the British people at heart there would be no need for Reform. Still the boats come, still the illegals come in ever increasing numbers and still we're spending billions on them. It cannot go on. People see that but no one else is addressing people's concerns and this is why Reform will win the next general election.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

Had Sunak and Starmer had the best interests of the British people at heart there would be no need for Reform. Still the boats come, still the illegals come in ever increasing numbers and still we're spending billions on them. It cannot go on. People see that but no one else is addressing people's concerns and this is why Reform will win the next general election.

I get what you're saying Livia.

But Reform filling up with the very people that have caused a lot of the issues in this country isn't going to fix anything.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I get what you're saying Livia.

But Reform filling up with the very people that have caused a lot of the issues in this country isn't going to fix anything.

You're imagining all Tories are the same. Some of them have watched their party eat itself from the inside, lying, doing things that were not for the benefit of the British people.They were loyal to the party while they were all but destroyed at the polls. I like to think those people have woken up to the fact that if someone doesn't start listening to the people and addressing their concerns about illegal migrants there will be civil war in this country.

[bots]

Boris got rid of everyone in the traditional conservative party in 2019. At that election, it was basically ukip people that were elected mp's, so the tory party became ukip. Now we have people that lost their seats under the "ukip" intake going to reform. That's a big surprise isnt it

[Glenn.]

How exactly are Reform going to stop the boats? Anyone know?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

How exactly are Reform going to stop the boats? Anyone know?

They'll make coming to the UK unattractive, unless you're a genuine refugee or you have some skills to offer.

[Glenn.]

How?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

How?

Not sure... But I suspect the hotels, pocket money, phones, free days out, driving lessons etc will stop and we'll go back to refugee holding centres near airports.

[Glenn.]

I asked how exactly. What policies so they have?

[Glenn.]

Oh so you don’t know then. Seems a little vague no? I couldn’t imagine voting a government in on terms like that.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Oh so you don’t know then. Seems a little vague no? I couldn’t imagine voting a government in on terms like that.

It's a bit much you expect me to have all the answers to hand. France don't treat these people like we do, why aren't you more upset about that? They leave them in their tent cities to fend for themselves.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's a bit much you expect me to have all the answers to hand. France don't treat these people like we do, why aren't you more upset about that? They leave them in their tent cities to fend for themselves.

We’re not France. So why are you using their failures to excuse our lack of decency?

You cant name a single Reform policy on stopping the boats, but you’re happy to vote them in and hope for the best—then when questioned, you point at a different country like that somehow justifies it.

We should be holding ourselves to a higher standard, not saying, “Well, they’re worse!” That’s not policy. That’s playground politics.

If Reform’s pitch is “we’re slightly less heartless than France,” it’s no wonder you’ve got nothing solid to back them up with.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

We’re not France. So why are you using their failures to excuse our lack of decency?

You cant name a single Reform policy on stopping the boats, but you’re happy to vote them in and hope for the best—then when questioned, you point at a different country like that somehow justifies it.

We should be holding ourselves to a higher standard, not saying, “Well, they’re worse!” That’s not policy. That’s playground politics.

If Reform’s pitch is “we’re slightly less heartless than France,” it’s no wonder you’ve got nothing solid to back them up with.

I believe Reform will introduce more stringent rules on immigration and not the mass, uncontrolled importation of young fighting age men we're importing right now. We'd be more like Australia, who seem to have got it right, putting their own citizens ahead of foreigners and only accepting people who can offer some kind of skill. Australia takes refugees, of course, but we already take three times the refugees that Australia take on our already overcrowded little island. Not sure why we're wrong but Australia is right.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I believe Reform will introduce more stringent rules on immigration and not the mass, uncontrolled importation of young fighting age men we're importing right now. We'd be more like Australia, who seem to have got it right, putting their own citizens ahead of foreigners and only accepting people who can offer some kind of skill. Australia takes refugees, of course, but we already take three times the refugees that Australia take on our already overcrowded little island. Not sure why we're wrong but Australia is right.

Ah yes, the flood of young fighting-age men, because god forbid refugees aren’t toddlers or pensioners. Funny how you trust Reform to “fix” immigration when they haven’t even told you how. Just vibes and slogans.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Oh so you don’t know then. Seems a little vague no? I couldn’t imagine voting a government in on terms like that.

Did you vote in Labour's false promises last time?