[Beso]

Live updates link.

https://www.youtube.com/live/D-r7yjO...SnDLl1jTbLIHyW

[Gusto Brunt]

Terrible.

[arista]

Over 6 Dead,
Tragic.


Not yet on USA TV news


On the SkyNews Ticker, though

[arista]

Good the Killer is Dead

[arista]

Now Live on FoxNewsHD USA feed


Press Conference within an hour

Live news link
https://livenewsof.com/fox-news-live-stream/

Go down the thread Click the Play

[Beso]

Unnoficial. Truck rammed into building, building on fire.

Image of gunmans truck.

https://x.com/BNONews/status/1972335560758120582

[Zizu]

Someone said this is the THIRD mass shooting in the US over the last 24 hours !!


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[emseateng2014]

must be from the the right wing media that said theres 3 mass shootings in the last 24 hours

Originally Posted by Zizu

Someone said this is the THIRD mass shooting in the US over the last 24 hours !!


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Mormon church

Looks fully on fire, will be rubble by the time they put out the flames

[Ninastar]

This seems like there’s a lot of rage involved

Shooting up a place is awful enough in itself but to drive into the building, shoot people and then set it on fire?

What the ****

[MTVN]

Another anti-Christian hate crime.. scary if Churches become new mass shooter targets like schools. Are we going to end up with armed guards at Churches now of all places

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Another anti-Christian hate crime.. scary if Churches become new mass shooter targets like schools. Are we going to end up with armed guards at Churches now or all places

The whole melting pot in the USA is heading toward vigilantes. Every week the pressure increases. Every week another loner gets out their gun

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Another anti-Christian hate crime.. scary if Churches become new mass shooter targets like schools. Are we going to end up with armed guards at Churches now or all places

100,00 Christians dead in Nigeria

1200 churches destroyed


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Number of left-wing students/Labour, Liberal, SNP, South Irish MPs who give a f-uck = 0

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

100,00 Christians dead in Nigeria

1200 churches destroyed


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Number of left-wing students/Labour, Liberal, SNP, South Irish MPs who give a f-uck = 0

Yeah massacres of Christians happen a lot in Africa without ever getting media headlines

[Ammi]

…another horrendous taking of lives and ironically when they themselves were celebrating a life lost in their community and church…

An ABC News source briefed on the investigation said detectives are urgently working to determine the motive behind the shooting. Investigators are working to learn whether the church had been the target of threats in recent months and looking to see whether the timing could be connected to the death on Saturday of Russell M. Nelson, president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He was 101 years old.

Nelson died at his home in Salt Lake City, church spokesperson Candice Madsen said in a statement.

Shortly after the shooting, Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a post on X, "I am receiving briefings about what appears to be a horrific shooting and fire at an LDS church in Grand Blanc, Michigan. @FBI and @ATFHQ agents are en route to the scene now. Such violence at a place of worship is heartbreaking and chilling. Please join me in praying for the victims of this terrible tragedy."

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said her "heart is breaking for the Grand Blanc community" in a statement on X.

"Violence anywhere, especially in a place of worship, is unacceptable," she said. "I am grateful to the first responders who took action quickly. We will continue to monitor this situation and hold the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in the Grand Blanc close."

For years, law enforcement and homeland security experts have been warning that religious institutions across the board are being targeted for acts of violence.

"We can all agree that our houses of worship should be safe places for people to exercise their freedom of religion but right now we are increasingly seeing them being targets for violence -- and not just attacks any one faith," Michael Masters, who oversees security operations for the main U.S. network of Jewish schools and synagogues, told ABC News. "Attacks against religious institutions are attacks against our democracy as a whole."

Masters said there has been an increase in targeted attacks across the faith-based community over the past several years.

"This is something we've been working to prepare for in the Jewish community for many years. In the current threat environment, the offenders are often not distinguishing. There's the Jewish community, the Sikh community, the Annunciation church and now the LDS church in Michigan," he said.

[emseateng2014]

maybe the africa massacres of christians news are only headliners breaking news by the right wing media since they are in my opinion known for as being on the right side of the news that wants to report almost everything and anything that looks like its huge big breaking news but for others it may actually be small news like its only local

or in the words of the right wing media multiverse the mainstream media only want to report that fits the narritive

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah massacres of Christians happen a lot in Africa without ever getting media headlines

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by emseateng2014

maybe the africa massacres of christians news are only headliners breaking news by the right wing media since they are in my opinion known for as being on the right side of the news that wants to report almost everything and anything that looks like its huge big breaking news but for others it may actually be small news like its only local

or in the words of the right wing media multiverse the mainstream media only want to report that fits the narritive

What?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by emseateng2014

maybe the africa massacres of christians news are only headliners breaking news by the right wing media since they are in my opinion known for as being on the right side of the news that wants to report almost everything and anything that looks like its huge big breaking news but for others it may actually be small news like its only local

or in the words of the right wing media multiverse the mainstream media only want to report that fits the narritive

I'm not sure what you mean. I don't think the people being killed for their faith care much what the political leanings of the media are

[Maru]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Another anti-Christian hate crime.. scary if Churches become new mass shooter targets like schools. Are we going to end up with armed guards at Churches now of all places

That's already a thing as they've been known targets for at least a decade now.

[Alf]

I've told you for years that the Democrats were the baddies. You're just starting to see it more regularly now.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Alf

I've told you for years that the Democrats were the baddies. You're just starting to see it more regularly now.

As someone who would know and have experienced this numerous times upfront and personally, truck owners, especially those who adorn their vehicles with overbearing displays of patriotism... those aren't generally Democrats. But "omg False flag", etc, have to wait until they actually investigate it...

DM shared a picture of him at the beach in a "Make Liberals Cry Again" Trump shirt:



That doesn't mean this was politically-motivated. It's possible he has some problem with the LDS itself. And FWIW, they're not a progressive church... very much the latter (pun not intended, I swear)...

This article was posted about the LDS yesterday in Salt Lake City, Utah's online newspaper, just to give you an idea of where they see themselves politically on modern issues...

After 30 years, is the LDS family proclamation still relevant or a relic of the past?
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2025...tion-30-is-it/

Eternal gender

“Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.”

Laurie Lee Hall, a transgender woman and former temple architect who was excommunicated from the church, initially cheered that sentiment in the proclamation. She, too, believed that gender is eternal. It’s just that her male body, she said, didn’t fit her identity.

For years, top Latter-day Saint leaders were not sure what to do with that statement and made no attempt to explain it further. That all changed, though, in October 2019, when Oaks defined gender as the “biological sex at birth.”

This shift in terminology, Hall says, “represented a dark day for transgender church members” and “is at the root of the church’s egregious restrictions now in place since last year against all who transition away from their biological sex at birth.”

(Aug 2024)
‘Trans people are not predators’: Scholars say new LDS Church policies stoke groundless fears
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024...urch-policies/

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has announced a new approach to transgender individuals in the global faith of 17.2 million members — and it has created a firestorm among LGBTQ members and their allies.

The policies may be the most extreme since the hotly disputed, and now-discarded, exclusion policy of November 2015 regarding same-sex couples.

Under the newly released guidelines, members who have transitioned in any way — whether surgically, medically or socially — cannot receive temple recommends, work with children, serve as teachers in their congregations or fill any gender-specific assignments, such as president of the women’s Relief Society.

[Maru]

So just to add information here that may or may not become relevant overtime, as I'm not sure if this is known in the UK or not...

The LDS operates a bit like a cult in some ways and is not your typical Christian church. They have their own doctrine that was added after the Bible and also figures who are seen as prophets in their own right both past and present (including living Leaders). That would mean they have had dreams and visions that overtime that shaped their leadership overtime.

Their most prominent Leader literally just died and while he was 101, they're now checking to see if there was some connection as it has to be ruled out.

So I'm wondering if it were possible the shooter was a former parishioner. LDS has a "Disconnection" policy that operates very similarly to Scientology. I wouldn't say they are as severe, but it just depends on the reason I suppose. It can involve some harassment and letters of warning of impending damnation, fun things like that. Mainly just to pressure people to come back into the fold. So if this particular church has had leadership or individuals who have treated people like dog**** for trying to leave, then I can see a ton of drama coming from that. Either that or stories local to that area that may have left a really negative impression on some people living in that area and I can see that influencing a motive. I was told it was a really large temple for that area.

I can't imagine that any of that should explain this particular mass shooting but I suppose anything is possible. The Mormons, while definitely very strong in their beliefs, are not particularly violent or unkind people by nature. In fact, usually the opposite...

Stuff about Mormons, Charlie Kirk shooting (Utah-specific politics related to Mormons) and how it may connect to motives for anti-Christian violence in this area of the country...:

Spoiler:

Fun fact: Mormons practiced polygamy traditionally and there is a denomination/offshoot called FLDS (Fundamentalist LDS) who still practices it (illegally lol). There was a huge scandal with their Leader at a compound in TX (YFZ Ranch) that was raided, but pretty sure they are Utah-based. They're not fond of this group because they are very backwards. Anyway, the LDS church are very good record keepers when it comes to genealogy and membership so if the man was in any way associated with LDS it is very likely to be known by someone there.

I know of the LDS from both an acquaintance who was a member and also they could be seen riding bikes in my old neighborhood in full church garb (shirt & tie) doing missionary work. Missionary work is a rite of passage and the church is very involved in every aspect of life, from young to old.

Why Did the Mormon Church Stop Polygamy?
https://wasmormon.org/why-did-the-mo...stop-polygamy/

Territorial Law: Utah and Mormon Conflict

When the Utah Territory was established in 1850, it was given the latitude to enact its own laws. The Mormon Church publicly acknowledged polygamy in 1852 when Orson Pratt announced the practice on behalf of Brigham Young. Utah’s territorial legislature (heavily influenced by LDS leadership) didn’t prohibit polygamy, but protected it.

During the 1850s, Marriage was defined in civil and religious terms as the union of one man and one woman. Most states did not codify a formal definition, but the assumption of monogamy was embedded in bigamy laws, court rulings, and Christian norms. In the 1850s, there were no federal anti-polygamy laws yet, but state laws criminalizing bigamy were widespread. Marriage was understood to be monogamous by default, rooted in common law and Christian tradition. The Mormon introduction of polygamy in Utah clashed with these norms and triggered growing national and political backlash, culminating in federal legislation in the 1860s.

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Federal Response Begins in the Late 1850s

While there was no specific federal law prohibiting polygamy during the 1850s, the U.S. government began to react to growing national outrage over the LDS Church’s plural marriage practices:

In 1856, the newly formed Republican Party platform condemned polygamy and slavery as the “twin relics of barbarism.” President James Buchanan sent federal troops to Utah in 1857 in what became known as the Utah War, partly due to concerns about Mormon theocracy and polygamy. The first major federal anti-polygamy law was not passed until 1862: the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act, which criminalized plural marriage in U.S. territories.

The Manifesto of 1890

The decision by the church to stop practicing polygamy was driven by external factors, including legal and societal pressures, as well as pragmatic considerations.

The end of polygamy in the Mormon Church is often framed within the faithful narrative as a revelation from God, a divine shift in commandment to meet the needs of the time. But from a critical perspective, this explanation rings hollow when one examines the political and legal pressures that led to the 1890 Manifesto. The claim that “God’s laws are higher than man’s laws” is central to Mormon theology, yet when the U.S. Government began seizing Church property, disincorporating the Church, and threatening its very existence through legislation like the Edmunds-Tucker Act, the so-called unyielding law of God was suddenly negotiable. If polygamy truly was an eternal commandment, a higher law, then the Church’s abandonment of it under duress exposes a profound inconsistency in its claim to divine authority

TLDR: They were pressured to stop polygamy which paved the way for Utah to become a State (1896):

Politico:
Utah enters the Union as 45th state, Jan. 4, 1896
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...-4-1896-233073

On this day in 1896, Utah became the 45th state to enter the Union. Six years earlier, Wilford Woodruff, president of the Mormon Church, issued a manifesto reforming the political and religious scene in Utah. The manifesto became a milestone on the road to statehood because it renounced polygamy within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (Woodruff, who was born in 1807 and died in 1898, had five or six wives and sired 33 children.)

Why are we talking about Utah? Remember that Charlie Kirks' shooting was in Utah. The shooter's family was Mormon also. It's all very likely to just be a coincidence, but I do think it is interesting from just the historical perspective of what has happened in the past in that part of the US, that there are also all these other tensions that arise from a conflict of beliefs. Not just religiously, but politically (as seen in Utah's formation), so maybe... so if it's not entirely a religious motive, maybe political elements push that person over the edge to act. It's a lot going on at the same time is all and maybe bits here and there have somehow made religious folk in that region a more vulnerable target for violence.

To add to speculation, there's a video clip that's floating around, which I'm hesitant to share, because it's unverified. Anyway, someone named "Kris Johns" tells the streamer that he is/was running for City Council and he supposedly canvassed this man's home very recently. For whatever reason, the conversation at the end turned very dark towards the LDS and he had made clear multiple times his position was that "the Mormons were the Anti-Christ". So if that is true, that would be a possible motive.

I'll share it here, but just remember it's unverified:

And indeed, Kris Johns is a candidate for City Council and Burton County is close to the church, if it's not in that exact county...:

Kris Johns (Burton City Council At-large, Michigan, candidate 2025)
https://ballotpedia.org/Kris_Johns_(...candidate_2025)

[Maru]

Local News coverage. Looks like they used robots to search his home via Bomb Squad.

His neighbors had a lot of good things to say about the shooter, actually...

Youtube video

Timestamp: https://youtu.be/rSpWDIrf2ac?si=pxgHkFmIjOqu1nch&t=398

His home is 8mi (~13km) away from the LDS temple and there's a church on either side of his home.