[Tanser_Man]

The house is full of moaners, apart from Maxwell, Anthony, Orlaith and Craig!

I mean chill out guys!

At every opportunity they moan and bitch, i cant remember once in the last 10 episodes that one person from Team 'Makosi' has even remotely broken into a smile!

If one of them wins i will be deeply shocked.

[Mike]

Apart from Maxwell, Anthony and Craig we have to accept their all boring moaners.

[SMC]

huh?...Orlaith is a first class moaner

[Nikkos]

im sorry team smug fans...did you say craig isnt a moaner?? omg you have to seperate the people you like to every other ****ing thing asked on this site. whos the funniest? anthony, craig and chavwell. whos most entertaining? anthony, craig and chavwell. who did best in the debate task? anthony, craig and chavwell. anthony, craig and chavwell. anthony, craig and chavwell.

[sandrabb]

maxwell is the biggest moaner i want booze is all he ever moans about

[SMC]

change the record

[Nikkos]

exactly but no chavwell fans will admit it. i love science and kemal but ill admit they moan. chavwell fans think the sun shines through their arses

[sandrabb]

why does he not moan about booze all the time oh i get it truth hurts

[Lance]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
The house is full of moaners, apart from Maxwell, Anthony, Orlaith and Craig!

I mean chill out guys!

At every opportunity they moan and bitch, i cant remember once in the last 10 episodes that one person from Team 'Makosi' has even remotely broken into a smile!

If one of them wins i will be deeply shocked.

Erm...I thik you should watch a bit closer and I'm sure you will find a smile or maybe 50 in the last ten episodes.

[Aimee]

I think Craig is the biggest moaner of all.

Erm..... that it.

[slash/]

There are several moaners in the house (in my opinion), but I think the worst is:

Vanessa - Refused to do workhouse task, then has the nerve to moan when she is fed with bland food.

[GlitterEyes]

Maxwell has to stay in this week science needs to go he has offered all he can to the house.

[Milo]

We've got to keep him in.He's got more to give than Science.

[Ruth]

You don't think Craig is a moaner? He's the biggest moaner and whinger in there. And Maxwell moans when things don't go his way. To be honest, the only housemate who doesn't really moan is Eugene.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by GlitterEyes
Maxwell has to stay in this week science needs to go he has offered all he can to the house.

Maxwell is a one trick pony. I think there's a lot more to Science than we've seen yet.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Ruth
I think there's a lot more to Science than we've seen yet.

After watching last nights live feed I would agree with you Ruth

[Slartibartfast]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
The house is full of moaners, apart from Maxwell, Anthony, Orlaith and Craig!

I mean chill out guys!

At every opportunity they moan and bitch, i cant remember once in the last 10 episodes that one person from Team 'Makosi' has even remotely broken into a smile!

If one of them wins i will be deeply shocked.

Just to help your memory of the smiles, I seem to remember plenty of smiles when Maxwell was announced for nomination. Off they went to the bedroom and had a big massive smiling session!! LOL

Maybe this is the further proof we need of the biased and one-sided viewing of the programme by Maxwell fans. Maybe your TV's are different from ours, or do you all just close your eyes when your beloved Maxwell isn't on the screen.

And to say Craig isn't a moaner, oh come on! He's a big stroppy child, and his little temper tantrum on last nights show has secured him hopefully a few nominations come monday!

[Feyt]

Originally posted by Ruth
You don't think Craig is a moaner? He's the biggest moaner and whinger in there. And Maxwell moans when things don't go his way. To be honest, the only housemate who doesn't really moan is Eugene.

No Eugene doesn't moan...he just runs off to big brother and whinges about it. Maxwell stole my trousers, Maxwell stood on the back of my flip-flop..OMG. I think Eugene is brill but he needs to grow up.

'I didn't do anything to him, why do it to me?'

[elaniel]

i agree with Tanserman. On the whole E4 coverage you can see all Team Diva does is bitch bitch bitch. But Maxwell's group have fun and do really zany things.

The Channel 4 show just shows the bitching on both accounts.

There is a LOTmore that Team Maxwell does than Team Diva.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Ruth

Maxwell is a one trick pony. I think there's a lot more to Science than we've seen yet.

But Science is so argumentative, he's always starting rows.... I know it can sometimes be entertaining but it does grate my nerves!! Science has to go!!!

[Tanser_Man]

I have to admit the last few episodes they have made out craig to be a right tit, but if you base these one two occasions to what you see from him overall, you'll see he isn't all doom and gloom.

If you think the 'diva's' can be funny at times and have come out with some good tv but the fact of the matter is that all they do, 80% of the day is bitch and cause arguements.

I dont always say 'O these people are the best and there funny i love them'... its just over the last 2 weeks there has been a massive change and my views have been changed aswell.

People crying out at the slightest instant that someone is a bully, is a chav, is a racist have major insecurities in themselves. And by the way i hate to bring this to you but when you called people one of these you are also bullying and making people feel small, so either way they are both in the wrong.

And to the person who said they've smiled about 50 times?... You must be watching a different show.

[Ruth]

I don't like team diva either. I really like Science, Derek and Eugene - that's it! But Craig is the biggest moaner - he's always throwing his toys out of the pram.

[backtherighthorse]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
I have to admit the last few episodes they have made out craig to be a right ***, but if you base these one two occasions to what you see from him overall, you'll see he isn't all doom and gloom.

If you think the 'diva's' can be funny at times and have come out with some good tv but the fact of the matter is that all they do, 80% of the day is bitch and cause arguements.

I dont always say 'O these people are the best and there funny i love them'... its just over the last 2 weeks there has been a massive change and my views have been changed aswell.

People crying out at the slightest instant that someone is a bully, is a chav, is a racist have major insecurities in themselves. And by the way i hate to bring this to you but when you called people one of these you are also bullying and making people feel small, so either way they are both in the wrong.

And to the person who said they've smiled about 50 times?... You must be watching a different show.

Tanser you are showing us all how stupid you are. Craig is the most pathetic big brother housemate in its entire history. One or two occassions? Craig is a non-stop bitch/moan machine. He started with Lesly fuelling her hate for Sam which got her evicted. He moved onto Saskia's team bitching and moaning 24/7 especially about Vanessa and Makosi. Surprise surprise it rubs onto team smug, who incidently didn't moan that much till craig came along (they jus stole alcohol), thus Saskia has a go at Vannessa and Makosi and gets evicted.

As for telling other posters that they have major insecurities if they point out bullying or racism it shows how uneducated you are. You said you have been bullied in the past. You of all people should know the signs. Look at the homophobic language Maxwell slings at Craig. Oh its said in jest so it doesn't matter eh?

Look at all the lovely nicknames Team Smug have for the other housemates, Derek: Malteeser head. That one belongs to anthony. Kemal: Kebab, Makosi: Queen Africa. Ther rest of the other housmates: The united nations. Those gems belong to Craig.
Science: Twiglet. The angelic Maxwell made that one up. Are you telling me that Max doesn't say things to make people feel small? He reduced Orlaigth to tears this week with his nasty sexist remarks. But no it wasn't shown on the 10 o'clock show so who care eh?
So don't you dare try and tell anyone else that they have imagined the nastiness, racism, homophobia and plain old fashioned bullying that has been rife on this years show. Pointing it out doesn't make us bullies, brushing it under the carpet and ignoring it just cos the housemates who say or do it are sometimes funny, makes you a coward.

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by backtherighthorse

Tanser you are showing us all how stupid you are. Craig is the most pathetic big brother housemate in its entire history. One or two occassions? Craig is a non-stop bitch/moan machine. He started with Lesly fuelling her hate for Sam which got her evicted. He moved onto Saskia's team bitching and moaning 24/7 especially about Vanessa and Makosi. Surprise surprise it rubs onto team smug, who incidently didn't moan that much till craig came along (they jus stole alcohol), thus Saskia has a go at Vannessa and Makosi and gets evicted.

As for telling other posters that they have major insecurities if they point out bullying or racism it shows how uneducated you are. You said you have been bullied in the past. You of all people should know the signs. Look at the homophobic language Maxwell slings at Craig. Oh its said in jest so it doesn't matter eh?

Look at all the lovely nicknames Team Smug have for the other housemates, Derek: Malteeser head. That one belongs to anthony. Kemal: Kebab, Makosi: Queen Africa. Ther rest of the other housmates: The united nations. Those gems belong to Craig.
Science: Twiglet. The angelic Maxwell made that one up. Are you telling me that Max doesn't say things to make people feel small? He reduced Orlaigth to tears this week with his nasty sexist remarks. But no it wasn't shown on the 10 o'clock show so who care eh?
So don't you dare try and tell anyone else that they have imagined the nastiness, racism, homophobia and plain old fashioned bullying that has been rife on this years show. Pointing it out doesn't make us bullies, brushing it under the carpet and ignoring it just cos the housemates who say or do it are sometimes funny, makes you a coward.

As i've said plenty a time on here before, people have different views and different perceptions of the housemates.

I am niether 'stupid' or 'uneducated'.

I personally think they(Maxwell and Craig) dont mean it without any malice, again my perception, my opinion.

I have been bullied previously but i've risen above them and took time out to look at the if's but's and maybe's and the simple fact is that when you accuse people of this that an the other, whether or not you mean it or not, that can be seen as a way of bullying and intimidating people. (Again my perception and my opinion)

I am neither a coward. If i was a coward i would be a follower and i am not.

I am not telling people that they have imagined stuff i am basically saying if you think about it and read the situation when he makes a joke/ plays a prank.. he doesn't intend to do it with malice and he has proven to be a nice man who people (i.e craig) can turn to when there feeling down.

[Ruth]

Tanser_Man, you say that people have different views and perceptions of the housemates - obviously that's right, or there would be no debates between fans and detractors of any housemates. However, to say that if someone calls someone else a bully, they themselves are bullying is totally illogical. If someone IS a bully, are you honestly saying that we shouldn't call them that, because that turns us into bullies? To be honest, I don't believe that that can be what you're saying, but it's certainly the way it comes across.
As for saying that Maxwell is obviously a nice man, because he has comforted Craig, and that his pranks are all harmless etc., well you mentioned perception. My perception of Maxwell's behaviour is totally different. I truly believe that he is a bully and that all of his pranks are certainly not harmless, as they can upset people's feelings, which I think is his intention (remember the night after all the goings on in the pool, and Maxwell kept saying things to Orlaith? Craig told him to stop it, because she didn't like it, and Maxwell said that in that case, he would just do it all the more). Just because someone dresses their nasty comments up as jokes, doesn't mean that they're not nasty.