[Crimson Dynamo]

The former prime minister's wife, who sits as a judge as Cherie Booth QC, told Shamso Miah that she would suspend his prison sentence because he was a "religious man".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...religious.html


What do you make of this?

[Jessica.]

ew

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The former prime minister's wife, who sits as a judge as Cherie Booth QC, told Shamso Miah that she would suspend his prison sentence because he was a "religious man".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...religious.html


What do you make of this?

She gets uglier doesn't she?

[Mystic Mock]

what about the time when she said the jews deserved to be bombed im not to surprised at this

[Angus]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The former prime minister's wife, who sits as a judge as Cherie Booth QC, told Shamso Miah that she would suspend his prison sentence because he was a "religious man".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...religious.html


What do you make of this?

He wasn't that religious when he was assaulting his poor victim was he?
Cherie Blair is a *****ing joke, lining her pockets with cases she gets under Human Rights legislation, conveniently pushed through the statute books by her ever loving hubby. Anyone still thinking of voting New Labour needs their heads examined. Another four years under their jackboot and this government will be interfering in every aspect of our lives, spying on us, controlling us and monitoring our every word and action in case we are slagging them off.

What message does Cherie Blair send? Well you can kick the sh*t out of someone, even maybe murder them, just so long as you go to the church or the mosque afterwards and pray.

[Shasown]

I would have thought that being religious and knowing what he had done as being unacceptable both socially and in a religious sense, he should have felt the full force of the law and even if it was his first offense, he should have seen some "peter" time.

BTW what is a "mild" fracture to the jaw?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

what about the time when she said the jews deserved to be bombed im not to surprised at this

Cherie said that?

[bananarama]

Religion is a bit like the Free Masons.....They look after their own.......and stuff justice......

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bananarama

Religion is a bit like the Free Masons.....They look after their own.......and stuff justice......

lol at Free Masons

do you get them in cornflakes?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The former prime minister's wife, who sits as a judge as Cherie Booth QC, told Shamso Miah that she would suspend his prison sentence because he was a "religious man".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...religious.html

What do you make of this?

First I object to the description 'Religious'. This is akin to saying 'Citizen' or 'Club Member'. What religion? What organization?
There is no such religion as 'The Religion' where 'Religion followers' practice 'Religion'.
OK.
Getting to the point here:
- There cannot be any difference for a (muslim, tory, christian, chelsea fan) in the Courts.
IF anything you might argue that some ought to 'know better' as maybe their organization emphasizes (for example) thou should not punch peoples faces,
but,
the main thing here is that everyone is equal. Lady Justice is blind. Everyone is under the same contract. They are not 'more guilty' for the invalid reasons they give either.

Now here might be where you CAN make a case:
- To some extent the incarceration is not only to punish or penalize but is also to protect the public.
IF he has shown he has been actively participating in organized society and NOT assaulting people (and even helping),
and,
Its is shown he is sincerely dedicating himself to a system of teachings opposing face-punching?
You can make a case he is demonstrating he does not need to be locked away from people and may better serve out his sentence some other way (community service is a good option for this dude).

Now the 'twist' here is getting back to 'what religion' or 'what organization' are they attending.
In this case I might suppose that if the man is demonstrating more dedication to Islam then that is all the more reason to be afraid of him carrying out more violence in the future.

But yeah.. interesting topic and some good questions here.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

She gets uglier doesn't she?

She should be propping up the bar at the Moss Eisley Cantina.

[Beastie]

You do the crime, you do the time whether you are religious or not. People use religion as an excuse to get out of something.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by thebeast

You do the crime, you do the time whether you are religious or not. People use religion as an excuse to get out of something.

i cant comment on your rather vague statement wot wiv me being religious

[Harry!]

If I am religious and I murder a person, Is that any different to a non religious person doing the same thing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Recylopse

If I am religious and I murder a person, Is that any different to a non religious person doing the same thing.

yes

you are now the religion murderer and have a edge in jail.

[rapunza1977]

facially challenged that one!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

In this case I might suppose that if the man is demonstrating more dedication to Islam then that is all the more reason to be afraid of him carrying out more violence in the future.

On what evidence do you make such a ludicrous statement?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Recylopse

If I am religious and I murder a person, Is that any different to a non religious person doing the same thing.

Yes. Apparently, if you are sorry and accept Jesus Christ in to your heart, you get a place in heaven next to Gandhi and Rush Limbaugh.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Recylopse

If I am religious and I murder a person, Is that any different to a non religious person doing the same thing.

Legally no, you have commited a crime.

But you have probably also broke the rules of your religion - sinned. Therefore you may have transgressed twice, once against society and the other against your god.

[Harry!]

Religion is a very strange subject. A eye for a eye it should be.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Recylopse

Religion is a very strange subject. A eye for a eye it should be.

that could be the new Specsavers tag line

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that could be the new Specsavers tag line

The reason why I said that post is because I had no straight answer to the replies I got from my first post. So I left a comment for all.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

On what evidence do you make such a ludicrous statement?

Here let me see if I can embed this counter in a post:

<p><a href="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/">
<img border="0" alt="Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11" src="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/TROP.jpg"> </a></p>

Oh maybe not.
OK.
Well its a counter showing the number of terror attacks by people who took an increasing interest in following the rules of Islam.
In fact, almost every terrorist attack and almost the entire body count has something in common:
It was carried out by someone who decided to start taking the Koran seriously and following its advice.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/LinktoTROP.htm


Here is the latest updates... its pretty much updated daily

2010.02.14 (Pattani, Thailand) - Islamists brutally murder a Buddhist woman and her 13-year-old daughter.
2010.02.13 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A 44-year-old man is gunned down by Islamic militants while using the restroom.
2010.02.13 (Pattani, Thailand) - Muslim militants shoot a man sitting on his front porch with friends.
2010.02.13 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends two other souls to Allah.
2010.02.13 (Kufa, Iraq) - A female suicide bomber murders at least six Shia pilgrims headed to a religious ceremony.
2010.02.13 (Pune, India) - Five women are among nine innocents blasted to death by a Shahid suicide bomber at a bakery near a Jewish center.........................

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Here let me see if I can embed this counter in a post:

<p><a href="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/">
<img border="0" alt="Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11" src="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/TROP.jpg"> </a></p>

Oh maybe not.
OK.
Well its a counter showing the number of terror attacks by people who took an increasing interest in following the rules of Islam.
In fact, almost every terrorist attack and almost the entire body count has something in common:
It was carried out by someone who decided to start taking the Koran seriously and following its advice.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/LinktoTROP.htm


Here is the latest updates... its pretty much updated daily

2010.02.14 (Pattani, Thailand) - Islamists brutally murder a Buddhist woman and her 13-year-old daughter.
2010.02.13 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A 44-year-old man is gunned down by Islamic militants while using the restroom.
2010.02.13 (Pattani, Thailand) - Muslim militants shoot a man sitting on his front porch with friends.
2010.02.13 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends two other souls to Allah.
2010.02.13 (Kufa, Iraq) - A female suicide bomber murders at least six Shia pilgrims headed to a religious ceremony.
2010.02.13 (Pune, India) - Five women are among nine innocents blasted to death by a Shahid suicide bomber at a bakery near a Jewish center.........................

So in your eyes all muslims are terrorist sleepers just waiting for the nod?

What about the PIRA, UDA, UVF, INLA, Baader Meinhoff, Black September, Communist Party of India, Red Brigade, numerous Tamil organisations Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (FPMR) Kmher Rouge. ETA. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC). Revolutionary Organization 17 November. Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C). Revolutionary Struggle. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL). United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC).
(and as Jimmy Cricket used to say"and theres more"), were they all secret Koran/Quran carriers too?

The ANC were outlawed as terrorists too.

Instead of viewing things purely through the eyes of an anti islam site. try somewhere like http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/terrorist-groups.cfm Not all of the above list will be on it, you could use google or simialar to check them out.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

So in your eyes all muslims are terrorist sleepers just waiting for the nod?

No.
Why would you ask that question?

What about the PIRA, UDA, UVF, ...

What about them?
They cancel out other terrorist or what?

Most terrorist attacks will be carried out by someone who was intending to follow Islam as closely as properly as possible.
Not 'despite' their adherence but actually because of it.

Most Muslims will not commit the terrorist attack just as most Brits never actually served in action in WW2.
Most Muslims in the world will agree with, condone or 'prefer' most Islamic terrorist attacks.

Obviously this is not 'all Muslims' because thankfully so many are better people and smarter people than Mohammad and they won't actually take that Koran too seriously.
In this case - the ones who 'fall away' or take a 'liberal view' are less likely to create or condone violence.

Now if you want to compare to something take Buddhists and Christians.
The MORE the Christian follows his bible and the more seriously he adheres the less he will be motivated to explode a gay nightclub.
The MORE the Buddhist sticks to his teachings the less excuse he can find for murdering opposition in Tibet.
It is possible on of them does pull **** like that but it will be IN SPITE of their teachings or as they fall away, forget or ignore their religious teachings.

You see there is a big difference here and its one reason why it is unhelpful and even 'senseless' and confusing to say of someone 'They are religious'.
What religion?
It can imply very different ideas and practices depending on which and how much.