[abs]

DAVINA'S STAB IN THE MAK
POLLY'S VERDICT
Polly Hudson

IN the end, it could only have been Anthony.

Even I was rooting for him because, as a Big Brother purist, I just didn't think it was right that someone who wasn't there at the start could win.

OK, he's Mr Average but he wanted it so badly - and it was sweet that the first thing out of his mouth was a jubilant message to his grandma.

Don't know what that does to his man points score though.

But the night had soured for me when Makosi left the house. Yes, I wanted her to win, but that aside, the booing was totally uncomfortable and unnecessary - and Davina did nothing to stop it.

When Kinga left to sounds of disapproval Davina whispered something comforting and squeezed her hand. Makosi got nothing.

Weeks ago when Davina interviewed Saskia - who had been threatening, racist and downright nasty - she laughed with her and jokingly reprimanded her with a wagging finger.

Yet she treated Makosi - whose worst crime was to tell a few porkies - as if she'd committed murder.

As the mob bayed "Off! Off! Off!" Davina showed none of her trademark warmth, abandoned her to their mercy and shook her head, saying: "I can't believe you're showing no remorse."

What she seemed to have forgotten was that as second runner-up, and the last woman in the house, many people had voted for Makosi and we wanted a few of her good points, deeds and fun times talked about rather than just focusing on the negative.

Makosi made Big Brother in the first two weeks but she got no recognition for it - and that's just plain wrong.

mirror.co.uk

i totally agree...

[abs]

by the way, where do u lot get them pix of makosi??? *-)

[bringbackscience]

yeah a lot of truth in that, i didnt really hate makowsi but i didnt love her either. How she was treated was disgusting, and davina was really harsh (i would have much rather seen craigs interview like that but not as badas he was a total prat) although makowsi did land her self in it a few times.

[Fangz]

Makosi got treated badly by the crowd. So what? She must have known how she looked to the public. I have no sympathy towards her, and don't really think that Davina's behaviour was that bad.
Unprofessional perhaps, but understandable.

[CharlotteSometimes]

That article is so full of inaccuracies, it's pointless taking it apart piece by piece to list them all. But perhaps the most glaring is the comment about Saskia. Any half-decent reporter would've made a few checks into the ethnic origins of her family, and realised how ludicrous that statement really is.

[Ruth]

Saskia did have some rather suspect views about immigrants.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Was that part of her vt? I must have seen it, but I honestly can't remember it. If she did indeed say something along those lines, then I wouldn't dream of defending her stance. But I don't know what that actually was, so I can't comment. It's worth noting though that Derek had very extreme views on that particular issue.

[Ruth]

Yes Derek did as well.

Saskia's comments were made during her video audition, she said that everyone who came to this country wanted to bomb us or call us names.

[Ruth]

Amongst other things, I should add!

[ThaGazBoi]

abs i got the pics from www.newsoftheworld.co.uk

[OPL73]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
That article is so full of inaccuracies, it's pointless taking it apart piece by piece to list them all. But perhaps the most glaring is the comment about Saskia. Any half-decent reporter would've made a few checks into the ethnic origins of her family, and realised how ludicrous that statement really is.

That has FA to do with it. Unfortunately I have come across people who are ashamed of their (ethnic origins). She is 1/4 Sri Lankan not 1/4 black, ( like she said in her eviction interview.) that's the difference.

And people who say '....I'm not racist but....' (like Saskia in her audition video) really are an annoyance.

Saying this though, I do not think she is racist. Ignorant (really ignorant) maybe but not racist......

The above reporter is from The Daily Mirror which I happen to think is a s**t rag, but she is a reporter none the less. She also isn't the only reporter, celebrity to someone high profile who commented on Devina's behaviour or the crowd, so she isn't in the minority.


By the way, this interview has already been posted somewhere else on the forum. And in the BB6 Press Coverage Forum.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by OPL73

That has FA to do with it. Unfortunately I have come across people who are ashamed of their (ethnic origins). She is 1/4 Sri Lankan not 1/4 black, ( like she said in her eviction interview.) that's the difference.

And people who say '....I'm not racist but....' (like Saskia in her audition video) really are an annoyance.

I agree 100%

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by OPL73

That has FA to do with it. Unfortunately I have come across people who are ashamed of their (ethnic origins). She is 1/4 Sri Lankan not 1/4 black, ( like she said in her eviction interview.) that's the difference.

Saying this though, I do not think she is racist.

It has everything to do with it. An ethnic minority does not automatically equal 'black'. If you're going to quote my post, at least have a valid reason for doing so in the first place.

Negating your own insinuation hardly strenghthens your argument, either.

I await your 500th. 'last word' comment with bated breath ...

[bringbackscience]

just because someone as relatives who are black/from an ethnic minority does not so ever mean they cant be racists. I mean when davina questioned her about it, saskia said 'im not racists my cousins sri lankan so i cant be racist. Oh that clears that up then

I personaly found some of dereks comments out of order. The BNP one might have been funny to some but how would you feel if something like that was directed at you like it was at science when he was showed it. Oh yes thats hilarious derek wants to join a party who want to send me from the country I was born in to somewhere ive never been before just because im black how funny. He also said something about himself being a golly in his interview (as in them little dolls which were called golly **** at one point, which are black with black curly hair). It might not offend him but again that could offend some.

[Ruth]

It was Saskia herself who said that she was "1/4 black" in her eviction interview.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by bringbackscience
just because someone as relatives who are black/from an ethnic minority does not so ever mean they cant be racists. I mean when davina questioned her about it, saskia said 'im not racists my cousins sri lankan so i cant be racist. Oh that clears that up then

I personaly found some of dereks comments out of order. The BNP one might have been funny to some but how would you feel if something like that was directed at you like it was at science when he was showed it. Oh yes thats hilarious derek wants to join a party who want to send me from the country I was born in to somewhere ive never been before just because I'm black how funny. He also said something about himself being a golly in his interview (as in them little dolls which were called golly **** at one point, which are black with black curly hair). It might not offend him but again that could offend some.

No, it doesn't. But it makes it quite a bit harder to believe, especially when it's just being dreamt up by a tabloid hack to fabricate a negative character trait to pin on someone they want to condemn.


Extract from Wikipedia entry about Derek:

He gained some notoriety as the only black member of the Monday Club, which supported repatriation of immigrants and the apartheid regime in South Africa. Fellow members of the Monday Club nicknamed him "Golly", for gollywog, a nickname Laud continues to use.

[bringbackscience]

yeah, i cant comment on saskia being racist as i never heard her say anything racist and she did get on well weith science didnt she but charlotte dont you think that dereks nick name is offensive to others?

[OPL73]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

It has everything to do with it. An ethnic minority does not automatically equal 'black'. If you're going to quote my post, at least have a valid reason for doing so in the first place.

Negating your own insinuation hardly strenghthens your argument, either.

I await your 500th. 'last word' comment with bated breath ...

Your comment about 'ethnic minority does not automatically equal 'black'. is absolutely true. However, I am slightly confused why you have come to the conclusion that I don't agree or understand this? My main gripe with your post was this: 'But perhaps the most glaring is the comment about Saskia. Any half-decent reporter would've made a few checks into the ethnic origins of her family, and realised how ludicrous that statement really is'

I interpreted (forgive me if I am wrong) that to mean, that just because she is part Sri Lankan then obviously she can't be racist. Which is complete rubbish, as per my reasons above and what 'BringScienceback' has put in the first part of her post above.

I wait with bated (yawn) breath on 'your I'm always right no matter what last word'

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by bringbackscience

yeah, i cant comment on saskia being racist as i never heard her say anything racist and she did get on well weith science didnt she but charlotte dont you think that dereks nick name is offensive to others?

Yeah, very much so. That's why they stopped using it as a trademark. Derek is a very strange man. Why he feels that way, I just don't understand. He could've done so much good, both from the positions he's held during his career, and while he was in the house, too.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by OPL73

Your comment about 'ethnic minority does not automatically equal 'black'. is absolutely true. However, I am slightly confused why you have come to the conclusion that I don't agree or understand this? My main gripe with your post was this: 'But perhaps the most glaring is the comment about Saskia. Any half-decent reporter would've made a few checks into the ethnic origins of her family, and realised how ludicrous that statement really is'

I interpreted (forgive me if I am wrong) that to mean, that just because she is part Sri Lankan then obviously she can't be racist. Which is complete rubbish, as per my reasons above and what 'BringScienceback' has put in the first part of her post above.

I wait with bated (yawn) breath on 'your I'm always right no matter what last word'

If you'd read the posts between your knee-jerk reaction and your most recent post, you'd already know the answer to your own questions here.

How tiresome. You quote my post, basically to let me know that you haven't got a point? You just like an argument, and as soon as you lose, you trot out the trusty 'last word' card. Oh dear.

[OPL73]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

If you'd read the posts between your knee-jerk reaction and your most recent post, you'd already know the answer to your own questions here.

How tiresome. You quote my post, basically to let me know that you haven't got a point? You just like an argument, and as soon as you lose, you trot out the trusty 'last word' card. Oh dear. [/quote]
Not knee jerk in the slightest, just a fair comment. Which I think has a point. You are the only one who can't see this. You obviously do not see the holes in your argument.

If you mean what I have written here 'She is 1/4 Sri Lankan not 1/4 black, ( like she said in her eviction interview.) that's the difference' Then I do think you have interpreted this incorrectly. Maybe I have interpreted yours incorrectly I don't know, but 'bringbackscience' seems to have interpreted the same way.

And the last word comment, if you had a sense of humour you would know this was written tongue in cheek.

Oh and I haven't trotted away. I didn't know this was a contest where there needs to be a winner. I will admit when I am wrong. I am not provoking an argument (pot..kettle black), seems to me you would win that contest hands down as I think it is part of your repertoire.

Charlotte (or whatever your name is), you do have this way of being quite obnoxious and patronising, which is only surpassed by the aptly named 'selfinflicted' I find it quite admirable and amusing that you feel this is the norm (my opinion) Kudos. Hats off, you have won in that respect.

I wait in anticipation (really) for your brilliant 'winning' response. I will try not to fall asleep.

PS I love you and the fact that you don't give a s**t. I never knew I could fall quite so hard.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by OPL73

Not knee jerk in the slightest, just a fair comment. Which I think has a point. You are the only one who can't see this. You obviously do not see the holes in your argument.

And the last word comment, if you had a sense of humour you would know this was written tongue in cheek.

Oh and I haven't trotted away. I didn't know this was a contest where there needs to be a winner. I will admit when I am wrong. I am not provoking an argument (pot..kettle black), seems to me you would win that contest hands down as I think it is part of your repertoire.

Charlotte (or whatever your name is), you do have this way of being quite obnoxious and patronising, which is only surpassed by the aptly named 'selfinflicted' I find it quite admirable and amusing that you feel this is the norm (my opinion) Kudos. Hats off, you have won in that respect.

I wait in anticipation (really) for your brilliant 'winning' response. I will try not to fall asleep.

PS I love you and the fact that you don't give a s**t. I never knew I could fall quite so hard.

I'm not arguing, you are. When you quote someone's post with the opening gambit you used at the top of this thread, you're hardly suggesting reasoned comment. It's actually rather offensive.

I have an excellent sense of humour. I'm a Scouser, so it's in the blood. You use the term quite prolifically, and in many instances I would suggest there's little evidence that it's 'tongue in cheek'. Rather it's patronising and intended to confuse your fellow member/s into staying quiet.

Where you've pulled the Maxwell connection from, I've no idea. I'm afraid you've misread my post. Oh dear. You really don't like people that won't be brow-beaten, do you? That seems to be part of your repertoire.

You have this rather bizarre desire to pin your own character traits onto others, don't you? I resent your likening me to a bigot in the strongest possible terms. Something worth taking on board. As far as what I'd consider to be 'the norm' is concerned, I've moderated and administrated numerous forums for several years, and believe me, you're sorely mistaken. Nothing new there though, I suppose. And don't flatter yourself, you're hardly a challenge.

You make a lot of assumptions. I'd suggest gambling would be a poor career move.

[bringbackscience]

come on guys, no point having a argument

[Lance]

Originally posted by abs
DAVINA'S STAB IN THE MAK
POLLY'S VERDICT
Polly Hudson

IN the end, it could only have been Anthony.

Even I was rooting for him because, as a Big Brother purist, I just didn't think it was right that someone who wasn't there at the start could win.

OK, he's Mr Average but he wanted it so badly - and it was sweet that the first thing out of his mouth was a jubilant message to his grandma.

Don't know what that does to his man points score though.

But the night had soured for me when Makosi left the house. Yes, I wanted her to win, but that aside, the booing was totally uncomfortable and unnecessary - and Davina did nothing to stop it.

When Kinga left to sounds of disapproval Davina whispered something comforting and squeezed her hand. Makosi got nothing.

Weeks ago when Davina interviewed Saskia - who had been threatening, racist and downright nasty - she laughed with her and jokingly reprimanded her with a wagging finger.

Yet she treated Makosi - whose worst crime was to tell a few porkies - as if she'd committed murder.

As the mob bayed "Off! Off! Off!" Davina showed none of her trademark warmth, abandoned her to their mercy and shook her head, saying: "I can't believe you're showing no remorse."

What she seemed to have forgotten was that as second runner-up, and the last woman in the house, many people had voted for Makosi and we wanted a few of her good points, deeds and fun times talked about rather than just focusing on the negative.

Makosi made Big Brother in the first two weeks but she got no recognition for it - and that's just plain wrong.

mirror.co.uk

i totally agree...

Couldn't agree more with what Polly has said and although I haven't admired her articles much in the past she is making a lot fo sense here.

[OPL73]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

I'm not arguing, you are. When you quote someone's post with the opening gambit you used at the top of this thread, you're hardly suggesting reasoned comment. It's actually rather offensive.

I have an excellent sense of humour. I'm a Scouser, so it's in the blood. You use the term quite prolifically, and in many instances I would suggest there's little evidence that it's 'tongue in cheek'. Rather it's patronising and intended to confuse your fellow member/s into staying quiet.

Where you've pulled the Maxwell connection from, I've no idea. I'm afraid you've misread my post. Oh dear. You really don't like people that won't be brow-beaten, do you? That seems to be part of your repertoire.

You have this rather bizarre desire to pin your own character traits onto others, don't you? I resent your likening me to a bigot in the strongest possible terms. Something worth taking on board. As far as what I'd consider to be 'the norm' is concerned, I've moderated and administrated numerous forums for several years, and believe me, you're sorely mistaken. Nothing new there though, I suppose. And don't flatter yourself, you're hardly a challenge.

You make a lot of assumptions. I'd suggest gambling would be a poor career move.

Who mentioned anything about a challenge? And who is arguing? I am expressing an opinion which is in no way aggressive. God I'm bored, you don't half go on, but I love you for it! I love the way you like to put your own spin on things too. This in particular is highly amusing:

'You have this rather bizarre desire to pin your own character traits onto others, don't you? I resent your likening me to a bigot in the strongest possible terms. Something worth taking on board'

A bigot?!! Maxwell? When did I insinuate this?!! However, I actually did Lol. I love it. Just the response I expected. Don't think I really care however, that you have monitored numerous other forums.You do have this habit of mentioning something you have done in the past. I.E. Mentioning that you a have a degree springs to mind. Was it it Psychology by any chance?

Its a forum we don't need to know little personal details about each other. Alot of things written on here are written tongue in cheek and should be taken so. I know I do. I distinctly remember having a discussion with AndyJK a while back but we did both realise in the end that it is just a forum. We don't know each other personally.

Charlotte, I'm impressed by your inane ramblings. I hope that you never stop. You're my entertainment on here. I do find you amusing and I am laughing with you not at you.

You seem very intelligent and kudos to you for that. I also love the fact that you try and twist everything around to make me look stupid. This I think deserves some kind of medal.

Thank you Charlotte you have made my day. God bless you.

PS The above is not an argument or a continuation of one, but an opinion. I do not argue with people I love.
PPS What is this thread about again?