[sosadbbend]

The argument between John James and Rachael wasn't as bad as everyone was making out. Watched it on HL show, Rachael obviously wanted to get a rise out of John. Ok his comment about what she may do for money was not good but as for being disrespectful to women as some people in the house and on here have said I don't believe it.
I think he treats men and women the same and doesn't 'sugar coat' what he thinks when it's a woman he's got a problem with. That's why people misinterpret his views.
It's unfortunate for him that his problem with Corin was weaved into the situation because she relished making situation worse and then BB let the show end with her speech in the diary room and that will finish him off.

[BBAroudtheGlobe]

He dug his own grave and should have to deal with it... instead of running away and crying cowardly. He doesn't treat men and women equally. He belittles women until they cry. He runs and hides when he even "thinks" a man will stand up to him. How pathetic.

[mummymaz]

I know i'll get blasted for this but i'll say it anyways ... i thought he was spot on .

[sosadbbend]

Originally Posted by BBAroudtheGlobe

He dug his own grave and should have to deal with it... instead of running away and crying cowardly. He doesn't treat men and women equally. He belittles women until they cry. He runs and hides when he even "thinks" a man will stand up to him. How pathetic.

She didn't cry, she gave as good as she got!

[walter]

i thought he was spot on as well. She is a money grabbing fat bitch. I mean why the **** would she be going out with that sleezy nathan. O wait OK magazine deal maybe. She really is a piece of ****.

[mummymaz]

i doubt OK would be interested...maybe at a push Take a Break

[walter]

Originally Posted by mummymaz

i doubt OK would be interested...maybe at a push Take a Break

i generalised. A magazine of some sort.

[terryrow]

Originally Posted by mummymaz

I know i'll get blasted for this but i'll say it anyways ... i thought he was spot on .

is that mummymaz, or mummy's boy?
too much oedipus complex goinb on here.

[Blueisthecolour]

I suspect there may have been more to that conversation than was shown on the highlights.

On what was actually shown then John James didn't really say anything that wasn't true.

One of his beefs with Rachael in the house was that he said she was the sort of girl who would do anything for fame and get a topless shoot as soon as she left the house.

She got very hoity toity and denied it and said he was disgusting for suggesting it.

He was right.

Whether he actually needed to say that stuff to her after the event is a different matter. But it's interesting that when other people say things which are harsh but true, they are: "Saying it like it is".

When John James does it he's a monster

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Blueisthecolour

I suspect there may have been more to that conversation than was shown on the highlights.

On what was actually shown then John James didn't really say anything that wasn't true.

One of his beefs with Rachael in the house was that he said she was the sort of girl who would do anything for fame and get a topless shoot as soon as she left the house.

She got very hoity toity and denied it and said he was disgusting for suggesting it.

He was right.

Whether he actually needed to say that stuff to her after the event is a different matter. But it's interesting that when other people say things which are harsh but true, they are: "Saying it like it is".

When John James does it he's a monster

Thats true, amazing how peoples memories are so selective after a few weeks isnt it.

[housemate]

A lot of these comments are very similar to Johns take on it ... he said he'd love to see the tape because he thinks it will probably be quite funny and not as bad as he had first imagined (after he realised Nathan had been the other side of the mirror)
I saw the whole thing on LF, yes Racheal stuck up for herself but then she also made attempts to diffuse the tone .. John (yawn, again) wouldn't let it go. He kept taking low shots at her.
Anyway, he'll be happy when people tell him how he 'got it right' with Rachael ... it will give him the confidence to do it again to some other poor girl!
I'm sure his Mum was soooo proud too (not), if he was my lad I'd wonder what the heck I'd done wrong!

[mummymaz]

Originally Posted by terryrow

is that mummymaz, or mummy's boy?
too much oedipus complex goinb on here.

mummymaz..female...nothern...pretty...fan of BB...loves chips.

[walter]

comments are very similar to Johns take on it because he is right in every way. I agree the prostitute comment was harsh and he shouldn't have said it.

[Shiner]

Remembering that JJ1 isn't at all a favourite of mine here's how I read between the lines (biased BB edits) with their wee sesh together....

I honestly believe that he didn't pick her for the task so he could rip into her - at most he probably expected some banter between them. I reckon her and Nathan have wound each other up so much about how JJ1 was instrumental in them both leaving the house that she would have been seething with him. So from the moment he entered the room he got a massive bad vibe off her and no matter what he said she would have been $hitty with him. Remember she said that it was BB's initial intentions for her to get massaged by him but the thought was so *abhorrent to her that she made BB switch the roles - even though there would still be physical contact between them - not too bright eh Rach . Faced with this unexpected bad attitude and because of how childish and stubborn he is JJ1 just let the situation get away from him and he said stuff that he regretted.

I would put money on the fact that if we were shown the moment when he came through the door he would have been smiling and she would have been stood there arms folded and with that "like duh" face on that he took the piss out of so much when she was in the house. BB didn't show that moment for some reason and yet they showed us the first moments between Corin and Nathan and Mario and Ben.

*If it was so damn horrible for her to touch him as she indicated then it probably would have been better for her just not to participate with the task at all but as JJ1 rudely pointed out she would do anything for her 15 minutes of fame.... even sleep with Nathan ... which in a way backs up that horrid thing he said.

[walter]

well said shine. The editing was so against JJ as i agree that he would have gone in with good intentions but her ****ty look would have ruined all those intentions. and yes he said stuff he shouldnt have but he isn't that bright and just got carried away. Rachael is a nasty piece of work.

She never had to say she swapped roles with the massaging thing. She said it to wind him up which it did. It's an absolute disgrace how BB are so biased on the HL.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by mummymaz

mummymaz..female...nothern...pretty...fan of BB...loves chips.

Settle petal! This is TIBB not eharmony!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Shiner

Remembering that JJ1 isn't at all a favourite of mine here's how I read between the lines (biased BB edits) with their wee sesh together....

I honestly believe that he didn't pick her for the task so he could rip into her - at most he probably expected some banter between them. I reckon her and Nathan have wound each other up so much about how JJ1 was instrumental in them both leaving the house that she would have been seething with him. So from the moment he entered the room he got a massive bad vibe off her and no matter what he said she would have been $hitty with him. Remember she said that it was BB's initial intentions for her to get massaged by him but the thought was so *abhorrent to her that she made BB switch the roles - even though there would still be physical contact between them - not too bright eh Rach . Faced with this unexpected bad attitude and because of how childish and stubborn he is JJ1 just let the situation get away from him and he said stuff that he regretted.

I would put money on the fact that if we were shown the moment when he came through the door he would have been smiling and she would have been stood there arms folded and with that "like duh" face on that he took the piss out of so much when she was in the house. BB didn't show that moment for some reason and yet they showed us the first moments between Corin and Nathan and Mario and Ben.

*If it was so damn horrible for her to touch him as she indicated then it probably would have been better for her just not to participate with the task at all but as JJ1 rudely pointed out she would do anything for her 15 minutes of fame.... even sleep with Nathan ... which in a way backs up that horrid thing he said.

She also turned up and massaged JJ1, she didnt do it to try and settle the air between them, she did it for more airtime and the appearance fee.

[mummymaz]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Settle petal! This is TIBB not eharmony!

godammit! one of these days i'll get a date

[Julesuk]

Originally Posted by mummymaz

I know i'll get blasted for this but i'll say it anyways ... i thought he was spot on .

I am agreeing with you this time - but your braver than me you actually said it, but I also think he was spot on the fact she was prepared to put herself in that situation says it all. Lets not forget Nathan also lost in the eviction to John James -

[NettoSuperstar!]

He went too far but he did have a point (maybe could have expressed it better) but she was clearly in there to wind him up and I dont believe for one minute her and Nathan are together I think it was all a set up

[BBAroudtheGlobe]

^^^ How was it a set up if he had the choice to pick her or not?

If it was a set up, then he set himself up. He was clearly playing up to the cameras because he viewers enjoy it. It just backfired on him this time.

[crocs]

Originally Posted by walter

The editing was so against JJ

Well, even BB can't perform miracles. They would have to butcher everything in order to make it pro John James now.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by sosadbbend

The argument between John James and Rachael wasn't as bad as everyone was making out. Watched it on HL show, Rachael obviously wanted to get a rise out of John. Ok his comment about what she may do for money was not good but as for being disrespectful to women as some people in the house and on here have said I don't believe it.
I think he treats men and women the same and doesn't 'sugar coat' what he thinks when it's a woman he's got a problem with. That's why people misinterpret his views.
It's unfortunate for him that his problem with Corin was weaved into the situation because she relished making situation worse and then BB let the show end with her speech in the diary room and that will finish him off.

He is DEEPLY disrespectful to women. I'm not sure if you're male or female, but if he'd spoken to your sister/girlfriend/you/one of your female friends like that you'd be seeing it differently, I suspect. If he'd spoken to me like that he'd have a tag on his toe right now. I think Rachael behaved with dignity in the face of a spiteful, immature, attention-seeking dunderhead. Although you must have noticed that his attitude adjusted when he heard Nathan was annoyed. Only then did he realise he may have gone over the top. Funny that...

The bit about treating women and men the same and not 'sugar coating' what he says is just a repetition of what his mother said on BBLB.

John James is a bully, and like most bullies, he's a coward.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by BBAroudtheGlobe

^^^ How was it a set up if he had the choice to pick her or not?

If it was a set up, then he set himself up. He was clearly playing up to the cameras because he viewers enjoy it. It just backfired on him this time.

Oh come on all very neat, she drops in all the I've got a boyfriend, shes clearly in their to wind him up and get him to react, then conveniently Nathans in next and tells Corin hes with Rachel... BB knows the likelihood of certain choices getting made, theyre not daft

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Julesuk

I am agreeing with you this time - but your braver than me you actually said it, but I also think he was spot on the fact she was prepared to put herself in that situation says it all. Lets not forget Nathan also lost in the eviction to John James -

She wasn't the only ex-housemate who went in there.

Why do people think John James has the right to point out what he perceives as other people's faults? He was possitively gleeful when he came back from the massage and told everyone how he almost made Rachael cry. How is that endearing?