[Jack_]

Spoiler:

What an abhorrent publication this really is.

[Jack_]

Actually I've just realised this should probably be in Serious Debates & News Stories...it's habit...could a mod move it please?

[joeysteele]

No Jack it couldn't but it is a truly rotten paper out of the gutter anyway.
The sooner it is thrown into the gutter for good and left there the better.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Actually I've just realised this should probably be in Serious Debates & News Stories...it's habit...could a mod move it please?

It could be right to have in in chat and games Jack, it is mostly pure fiction as to its reporting anyway.

[King Gizzard]

but the sad truth

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It could be right to have in in chat and games Jack, it is mostly pure fiction as to its reporting anyway.

Good point

Originally Posted by Nathan

but the sad truth

Well yeah I agree, but this is a frontpage so slightly different to an online article

[King Gizzard]

It's still going to circulate like crazy tomorrow, so they won't care one bit

it'd be nice if some of their more respected journalists if there is any boycotted or resigned from their jobs

[Nedusa]

For the daily Mail this is manna from heaven

[the truth]

The question has to be asked, what are the social services for if they dont even manage to get children away from people like the philpotts.

[Kizzy]

Disgusting, exploiting the deaths of those children to score political points in their sickening new right agenda.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Disgusting, exploiting the deaths of those children to score political points in their sickening new right agenda.

I think we should be more concerned with how disgusting the philpotts are.

I think this article was worded poorly, but lets not hide from the truth. the truth is this scumbag was supported by the benefits system which institutionalized his behaviour for many years. in fact in the end it was the fear of losing his benefits which was allegedly part of the motivation behind this tragedy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

I think we should be more concerned with how disgusting the philpotts are.

I think this article was worded poorly, but lets not hide from the truth. the truth is this scumbag was supported by the benefits system which institutionalized his behaviour for many years. in fact in the end it was the fear of losing his benefits which was allegedly part of the motivation behind this tragedy.

Are you suggesting that he was in some kind of poverty trap? that his life chances were so poor and he was so poorly socialised and educated that he felt unable to function as a member of society?

Yes the phillpots lifestyle left a lot to be desired, however to spin this case as a means to demonise, stigmatise and stereotype a whole cross section of society is ridiculous and wrong.

[Vicky.]

Its the mail. Nothing surprises me anymore with that ****ing rag

This story is so tragic, but to blame it all on benefits is just absolutely pathetic. A new low for the gutter press.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are you suggesting that he was in some kind of poverty trap? that his life chances were so poor and he was so poorly socialised and educated that he felt unable to function as a member of society?

Yes the phillpots lifestyle left a lot to be desired, however to spin this case as a means to demonise, stigmatise and stereotype a whole cross section of society is ridiculous and wrong.

no did I say that?

Im saying the benefits culture supported his disgusting lifestyle, it allowed him to breed endlessly , to have 11 kids in a 3 bedroom house, breeding dogs, chasing women, being controlling and abusive. in the end it appears he did what he did to ensure his benefits lifestyle continued. I think its right to question this.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

no did I say that?

Im saying the benefits culture supported his disgusting lifestyle, it allowed him to breed endlessly , to have 11 kids in a 3 bedroom house, breeding dogs, chasing women, being controlling and abusive. in the end it appears he did what he did to ensure his benefits lifestyle continued. I think its right to question this.

Benefits did not make him controlling or abusive and they don't make people breed endlessly then commit infantacide.
This was one case.

The mail whipping people into a frenzy they are affronted by those poor unfortunates they see as the scourge of society, benefit claimants...
The new 'folk devil' of 2013 and we stand in awe of the moral panic as it sweeps the old, the young, the disabled and the handicapped along in the conservative 'new broom' as they do their 'spring cleaning'.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Benefits did not make him controlling or abusive and they don't make people breed endlessly then commit infantacide.
This was one case.

The mail whipping people into a frenzy they are affronted by those poor unfortunates they see as the scourge of society, benefit claimants...
The new 'folk devil' of 2013 and we stand in awe of the moral panic as it sweeps the old, the young, the disabled and the handicapped along in the conservative 'new broom' as they do their 'spring cleaning'.

the only one whipping up a frenzy is you. the benfits encouraged and rewarded his breeding of kids and dogs. in the end he got so used to these handouts he became desperate to hold onto them and to increase them. youre also being hysterical about saying all diabled people are being targetted, theyre not. the government are simply trying to seperate the genuinely sick and disabled from the workshy scivers like this dreadful man and his wife.

with his criminal record and history, why the social services didnt step in earlier who knows. the kids should have been taken and the benefits reduced. how on earth can 11 kids 2 adults and dogs all live safely in a 3 bedroom house anyway.


the fact you choose not to discuss the heiniousness of the crime and instead choose to dwell on the benefits suggests youre missing the point here. this disgusting man and his awful wifes disgusting lifestyle was supported and rewarded by the benefits system. no one says everyone is the same as this but he is a prime example of the type of disgusting lifestyle too much dependency can create, support and sustain.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth;5917339[B

]the only one whipping up a frenzy is you[/B]. the benfits encouraged and rewarded his breeding of kids and dogs. in the end he got so used to these handouts he became desperate to hold onto them and to increase them. youre also being hysterical about saying all diabled people are being targetted, theyre not. the government are simply trying to seperate the genuinely sick and disabled from the workshy scivers like this dreadful man and his wife.

with his criminal record and history, why the social services didnt step in earlier who knows. the kids should have been taken and the benefits reduced. how on earth can 11 kids 2 adults and dogs all live safely in a 3 bedroom house anyway.


the fact you choose not to discuss the heiniousness of the crime and instead choose to dwell on the benefits suggests youre missing the point here. this disgusting man and his awful wifes disgusting lifestyle was supported and rewarded by the benefits system. no one says everyone is the same as this but he is a prime example of the type of disgusting lifestyle too much dependency can create, support and sustain.

I'm being hysterical? I responded to the thread as I saw fit please don't get personally offensive.
The thread is not dealing with how evil this act is, it is in response to the tabloids using this case to influence public opinion against certain groups.

[the truth]

The newspaper has every right to highlight how this disgusting man and womans horrific lifestyle was funded by and institutionalized by the benefits culture. the vast majority of hard working people could never have afforded 17 children and dog breeding. the benefits culture is inextricably tied in with this tragic story. the fact this offends some people who are on benefits is irrelevant. those people who are somehow offended by this connection being made are deluded. they need to forget their own egos and how sensitive they are to this debate. as its a debate that ha sbeen brushed under the carpet for decades. It must be discussed. these people do not deserve to have their disgusting lifestyles funded by the hard work of other honest good living people. if you want 17 kids and dogs you must earn enough money to support them in living a decent healthy life. if you cant do that then the children should be taken from these people asap

[Jack_]

Yeah um I'm not on benefits love so have no personal sensitivity to this but it's still a repugnant headline so yeah x

[Marc]

Everytime I see those childs I feel sad. BBC News showed a video clip of them all playing and it hurt to watch, knowing they were dead

[arista]

Jack the same story is in here

Whats your Problem,

[arista]

Originally Posted by the truth

The newspaper has every right to highlight how this disgusting man and womans horrific lifestyle was funded by and institutionalized by the benefits culture. the vast majority of hard working people could never have afforded 17 children and dog breeding. the benefits culture is inextricably tied in with this tragic story. the fact this offends some people who are on benefits is irrelevant. those people who are somehow offended by this connection being made are deluded. they need to forget their own egos and how sensitive they are to this debate. as its a debate that ha sbeen brushed under the carpet for decades. It must be discussed. these people do not deserve to have their disgusting lifestyles funded by the hard work of other honest good living people. if you want 17 kids and dogs you must earn enough money to support them in living a decent healthy life. if you cant do that then the children should be taken from these people asap

Bang On Right

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You are insane.

No he is not
Do not say that



This Forum needs all views
not just Jack and his Labour party

Originally Posted by arista

No he is not
Do not say that



This Forum needs all views
not just Jack and his Labour party

I agree that this forum needs differing views as threads of people agreeing constantly would get pretty dull.

Doesn't mean he gets a free pass for saying some horrific things. Benefits wasn't the problem with this family. They had some serious mental health issues between them. Their family set up, the fact he was whoring out his wife to his friend etc. Those are far more telling issues than his benefit payments.

Take his benefit payments away, and do you think he's suddenly a great father, and they become England's version of the Waltons?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I agree that this forum needs differing views as threads of people agreeing constantly would get pretty dull.

Doesn't mean he gets a free pass for saying some horrific things. Benefits wasn't the problem with this family. They had some serious mental health issues between them. Their family set up, the fact he was whoring out his wife to his friend etc. Those are far more telling issues than his benefit payments.

Take his benefit payments away, and do you think he's suddenly a great father, and they become England's version of the Waltons?

No only on these threads

I assume he would sell his kids if no benefits
Evil to the Core

And he went on JK ITV1