[Ammi]

..and his ban..?...reasonably/without arguments/discuss...

..I think it's been 3 months now, I have never condoned what he did but he wasn't the only person involved...I know the 'anon' thing was the problem with that but I think that also has to be factored in, that a 'forced leniency' to some should also mean that he has one as well..that's fair..?...

...a sanction for anything should always be clearly defined and this one isn't..he can't 'prove himself' unless he is given the opportunity to prove himself and if he messes up, no one knows more that he does that this could be/will probably be his last chance....there are many things that have happened this year, which have hurt/offended TiBB members and it's bad for the forum/for everyone if we can't move on from them/we have to move on from them...can we move on from Tumblr and give him the same 'fairness'....they were only words and words do not have the ability to hurt, unless we allow them to....Scott is 'controversial'/some members are 'controversial' and forums/groups need that.. but for many people, he is also a big part and a big heart of TiBB....


..I think this 'offsite' stuff has been a 'first' this year, so it was good in a way to give a harsh/lengthy ban...but it has been harsh and lengthy enough..?..I mean there is no point in a ban/sanction that isn't aimed to achieve something/learn from it and if that hasn't been done in 3 months, then it's not ever going to...what's the purpose/but to see if anything has been learned, and the only way to know that is to end the ban and see...

[Kate!]

Absolutely not.

As stated at the time there was far more to it than the majority know, I'll not further malign his character by saying anymore, and the appropriate thing for you to be doing here Ammi, with the utmost respect, is to be approaching staff/admin with this rather than making a thread?

[Samm]

I hope he comes back soon

[GypsyGoth]

I feel it would be good to chat about it, as far as I know he insulted folks here whilst on another site. And it's Scott he most likely did it out of boredom and not with any malice.

And Kate can you not find it inside you to give him another chance? Forgiveness can set you free of the anger you feel towards him.

Plus we have an ignore feature here, so perhaps anyone who doesn't get on with Scott could use that?

[Glenn.]

I agree Ammi. The Tumblr thing was a stupid and reckless idea he had, which snowballed into with a select few of idiots who ran with it. I'm not innocent in it, I posted a couple of things on there that night, though not as extreme as others. I had terrible stuff said about me and my sister that night.

This ban for an offsite incident, no matter how it affects TiBB is completely unfair IMO. If it's the same rule for all then there should be a few members on a ban.

[Cherie]

I've never really understood banning people forever (especially when the person is in their teens or barely out of them) , I don't know what went on, but we all make mistakes and as long as we learn from them I don't really see the harm in letting him back on the premise that it would never happen again.

[thesheriff443]

scott's ban is not up for discussion,
everyone is to be treated by the same rules even me!
ammi for someone that is so vocal in supporting the mods, I find this some what of a shock.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I feel it would be good to chat about it, as far as I know he insulted folks here whilst on another site. And it's Scott he most likely did it out of boredom and not with any malice.

And Kate can you not find it inside you to give him another chance? Forgiveness can set you free of the anger you feel towards him.

Plus we have an ignore feature here, so perhaps anyone who doesn't get on with Scott could use that?

[2]

I can think of a couple other sites where members get insulted all the time, but this time it is out of malice , the only difference is that it's not public so they get away with it

Alsoncan I add, I wasn't even here when this burn blog thing happened I was away & idk if anything was said about me (it probably was) but I honestly don't care, some people take the internet far too seriously at times

Scott should be allowed to come back now. The vagueness of an indefinite ban seems like a bit of a nice title that can be assigned without anyone really having to address or discuss it anymore, so if he isn't going to be allowed to come back, then tell him he's permabanned,

Originally Posted by Cherie

I've never really understood banning people forever (especially when the person is in their teens or barely out of them) , I don't know what went on, but we all make mistakes and as long as we learn from them I don't really see the harm in letting him back on the premise that it would never happen again.

That is a completely fair, and the reasonable post, that it should be difficult for anyone to argue against.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

scott's ban is not up for discussion,
everyone is to be treated by the same rules even me!
ammi for someone that is so vocal in supporting the mods, I find this some what of a shock.

Not sure why you find it's shocking to be supportive of mods, and supportive of Scott at the same time. Yeah, everyone does need to be treated by the same rules. Everyone.

[Natalie.]

Haven't seen him on here before/don't know what he did but he seems to be loved..

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..and his ban..?...reasonably/without arguments/discuss...

..I think it's been 3 months now, I have never condoned what he did but he wasn't the only person involved...I know the 'anon' thing was the problem with that but I think that also has to be factored in, that a 'forced leniency' to some should also mean that he has one as well..that's fair..?...

...a sanction for anything should always be clearly defined and this one isn't..he can't 'prove himself' unless he is given the opportunity to prove himself and if he messes up, no one knows more that he does that this could be/will probably be his last chance....there are many things that have happened this year, which have hurt/offended TiBB members and it's bad for the forum/for everyone if we can't move on from them/we have to move on from them...can we move on from Tumblr and give him the same 'fairness'....they were only words and words do not have the ability to hurt, unless we allow them to....Scott is 'controversial'/some members are 'controversial' and forums/groups need that.. but for many people, he is also a big part and a big heart of TiBB....


..I think this 'offsite' stuff has been a 'first' this year, so it was good in a way to give a harsh/lengthy ban...but it has been harsh and lengthy enough..?..I mean there is no point in a ban/sanction that isn't aimed to achieve something/learn from it and if that hasn't been done in 3 months, then it's not ever going to...what's the purpose/but to see if anything has been learned, and the only way to know that is to end the ban and see...

just to add, if you let scott come back, then you will have to let every one else come back.
after all, you could argue that all those that have been banned could learn from their mistakes.

I like scott, but at times his posts made disturbing reading.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

scott's ban is not up for discussion,
everyone is to be treated by the same rules even me!
ammi for someone that is so vocal in supporting the mods, I find this some what of a shock.

I don't see the point in posting the part about Ammi and MODs. Seems totally irrelevant to the issue and just a cheap shot at Ammi

[Jake.]

Somebody called me an arselicker on that site so he can remain banned

[arista]

Originally Posted by Lola-Belle Humbug

Absolutely not.

As stated at the time there was far more to it than the majority know, I'll not further malign his character by saying anymore, and the appropriate thing for you to be doing here Ammi, with the utmost respect, is to be approaching staff/admin with this rather than making a thread?

Yes thats the only way

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marc

I don't see the point in posting the part about Ammi and MODs. Seems totally irrelevant to the issue and just a cheap shot at Ammi

that's your opinion, clearly marc you cant have your cake and eat it.

ammi should not be doing this in public, she should take it up with the mods in private.

not come on the forum and bring up members bans, after all how many times in the past have members been jumped on for talking about banned members.

[Kate!]

Ok, hear me out. I do listen to other people's opinions and am one of the most forgiving people alive lol, I'm very soft hearted. I made up with Glenn, despite months of ranting at each other and even telling each other to eff off and other nice things

I was (IMO) very close to Scott, he's from my hometown, I felt a bond with him, he made me laugh so so much, and also I really really feel for him and his problems. I used to post on his wall a lot, just random stuff to try and boost his spirits (daft gifs etc).

No-one, except Glenn to his credit, has ever had the decency to apologise for anything said in this whole affair, but then again they are hiding behind anonymity as Ammi says and so Scott faced the flak alone.

It made my (and others affected by it) blood boil when people instantly jumped to Scott's defence and I personally saw him comment after the event that we should all die, in a rant offsite which hardly demonstrates any remorse?

However, I'll say this. IF he's allowed to return here at any point, I won't be raising an objection, I do know how much he loves this place and people love him. I do think what he did was bad enough to justify the action taken, but I also feel (in all honesty, and I said this at the time) that he was hung out to dry by the others who happily took part in the vitriol and then put their heads down and let him be the scapegoat.

I've had a crap year, I'm signed off work sick ATM and I'm just about managing to keep it all together. I don't want to go into 2014 with bad feeling between me and anyone on here. I mean ANYONE. If Scott ever came back I'd consider it a clean slate, which I actually think is MORE courtesy than his actions merit but there you go.

[Kate!]

Ok, hear me out. I do listen to other people's opinions and am one of the most forgiving people alive lol, I'm very soft hearted. I made up with Glenn, despite months of ranting at each other and even telling each other to eff off and other nice things

I was (IMO) very close to Scott, he's from my hometown, I felt a bond with him, he made me laugh so so much, and also I really really feel for him and his problems. I used to post on his wall a lot, just random stuff to try and boost his spirits (daft gifs etc).

No-one, except Glenn to his credit, has ever had the decency to apologise for anything said in this whole affair, but then again they are hiding behind anonymity as Ammi says and so Scott faced the flak alone.

It made my (and others affected by it) blood boil when people instantly jumped to Scott's defence and I personally saw him comment after the event that we should all die, in a rant offsite which hardly demonstrates any remorse?

However, I'll say this. IF he's allowed to return here at any point, I won't be raising an objection, I do know how much he loves this place and people love him. I do think what he did was bad enough to justify the action taken, but I also feel (in all honesty, and I said this at the time) that he was hung out to dry by the others who happily took part in the vitriol and then put their heads down and let him be the scapegoat.

I've had a crap year, I'm signed off work sick ATM and I'm just about managing to keep it all together. I don't want to go into 2014 with bad feeling between me and anyone on here. I mean ANYONE. If Scott ever came back I'd consider it a clean slate, which I actually think is MORE courtesy than his actions merit but there you go.

[Jake.]

Kate that's really good of you tbh

[Marc]

I don't see the immediate trouble with discussing the matter. Regardless of the number of supporters the decision is left to the MODs and ultimately James. For example of this is the Razzies; that poll was overwhelming in favour but it's not happening on the forum.

So I don't see a problem discussing it; other banned members get discussed all the time. It's not going to be a problem just discussing it

Originally Posted by Snowjakes

Somebody called me an arselicker on that site so he can remain banned

Not quite the same level as a 55yr old sex offender. I wouldn't mind but I'm only 54.

[GypsyGoth]

Thanks Kate


And Sheriff, Scott was given an indefinite ban, not a permanent one. From what I know the whole point of that type of ban was so it could be reviewed later and lifted when appropriate.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

Not quite the same level as a 55yr old sex offender. I wouldn't mind but I'm only 54.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

Not quite the same level as a 55yr old sex offender. I wouldn't mind but I'm only 54.

Yeah but you look 65 so take it.....

[Jake.]

Boom!

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Thanks Kate


And Sheriff, Scott was given an indefinite ban, not a permanent one. From what I know the whole point of that type of ban was so it could be reviewed later and lifted when appropriate.

you know I love gg!
the problem is, it should not be up for discussion on the forum.
ammi is well respected on this site, she should be doing this by pm.

but this subject raises the question of fairness,