[waterhog]

a split Parliament - who's to blame ? YOU DECIDE ? 02.05.15

for way to long
dictated has Parliament
but judgment day to us will belong
this is my excitement.
i got into politics
to better my brain
when all my pals hit the town to be alcoholics
i studied the "house of pain".
absolutely smitten with Tony
he made on me stand up every hair
speaking sense and no pony
i loved "labor" under "Blair".
then "Brown" took over
his own party he tried to corrupt
he will never be real "butter" always "clover"
so i left "Labor" and my removal was abrupt.
now the nation was "blue"
the "conservatives" are getting us out of the "red"
being on the "brink" and "poor" is true
was you encouraged by the "spoof" and chancellor of exchequer Ed.
the problem with immigration
it was Nigel's gold entry
the failure to act from every party was frustration
mr Farage to pay Europe millions was the refusal of the century.
so you deserve a fracture
i hope your work load is stressful
more balls then any of you was "Thatcher"
you all lacked it and that's why no 1 party was deliverable.

( who is to blame for a split parliament ? i would love a few reply's to rhyme please. its Saturday so less have some wacky poetry. you can send a message to your MP via this change https://www.change.org/p/voters-use-...t_created=true i tried to get this to the 3 leaders but i got intercepted by corruption.)

[arista]

Its Labours fault
who have become Tory Lite

[Crimson Dynamo]

i blame labour

[Crimson Dynamo]

[joeysteele]

It is both the main parties fault for not being totally inclusive as to the whole of the UK when in govt:
The Conservatives used Scotland as a testing ground for rotten policies like the poll tax.
Labour have for the last 30 years at least,taken Scotland for granted and let them down in govt:
Wales they look upon as something to be left aside for other days.

One party giving up on the South and believing the North will always see it through,without the North,it would be a lost party
The other, now in the main a party of the South,if there were few southern seats in England, that party would be a rump too.
Two extremes,entirely different needs that really rarely get addressed at all.

The 2 main parties are now reaping what they have sowed due to once winning power generally setting out to dismantle what the previous party did in power.
Always blaming each other even at the end of their own parliamentary periods..

When in fact right from 1979 to 2010,over 30 years of govt; between them, the Conservatives with 18 unbroken years of power and Labour with 13 years of unbroken power.
Neither had all the answers,neither did all the right and just things and now the voters have woken up to the probable fact neither ever will.

It really could be, that neither will ever get a free run with power again, this may well be the 3rd election in a row where the main parties get less than 70% of the votes cast between them.
Really in my view, losing any mandate to govern unless they wake up to bringing about more concensus as to politics and to in effect, grow up.

Treating the voters like idiots and avoiding telling the truths they need to hear,then the price in the future will be likely even more devastating for them.

I really believe the voters are sick of being taken for granted and for fools by the 2 main parties particularly, so they have to be blamed for split parliaments.
Had they 'both' done fair and right things in govt;,being given 2 really good unbroken runs in govt; too,then this discussion would not likely be even taking place.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is both the main parties fault for not being totally inclusive as to the whole of the UK when in govt:
The Conservatives used Scotland as a testing ground for rotten policies like the poll tax.
Labour have for the last 30 years at least,taken Scotland for granted and let them down in govt:
Wales they look upon as something to be left aside for other days.

One party giving up on the South and believing the North will always see it through,without the North,it would be a lost party
The other, now in the main a party of the South,if there were few southern seats in England, that party would be a rump too.
Two extremes,entirely different needs that really rarely get addressed at all.

The 2 main parties are now reaping what they have sowed due to once winning power generally setting out to dismantle what the previous party did in power.
Always blaming each other even at the end of their own parliamentary periods..

When in fact right from 1979 to 2010,over 30 years of govt; between them, the Conservatives with 18 unbroken tears of power and Labour with 13 years of unbroken power.
Neither had all the answers,neither did all the right and just things and now the voters have woken up to the probable fact neither ever will.

It really could be, that neither will ever get a free run with power again, this may well be the 3rd election in a row where the main parties get less than 70% of the votes cast between them.
Really in my view, losing any mandate to govern unless they wake up to bringing about more concensus as to politics and to in effect, grow up.

Treating the voters like idiots and avoiding telling the truths they need to hear,then the price in the future will be likely even more devastating for them.

I really believe the voters are sick of being taken for granted and for fools by the 2 main parties particularly, so they have to be blamed for split parliaments.
Had they 'both' done fair and right things in govt;,being given 2 really good unbroken runs in govt; too,then this discussion would not likely be even taking place.

Utterly Balanced and Truthful post.

[Nedusa]

Sounds to me like the current state of politics favours a devolved UK, the SNP will push this as their main issue and regardless of how much power they win next week their main priority will still be Scotland and its future not the future of the UK . Similarly in Wales the plaid Cymru party have really only Wales at heart and again all their politics will be to push the agenda for a move devolved govt and stronger powers for Wales .

This leaves the two main parties labour and conservative who I think have the majority of their vote from England and could be looked on as English parties.

The union I think is suffering politically as if you are British and Scottish your primary concern is Scotland not the UK similarly in Wales or Northern Ireland this also applies.

But to be English and be a fervent supporter of England is kinda lost as it gets mixed into being British almost as if being British trumps being English . The English identity is almost overshadowed by being the major player in the United kingdom.

I think our politics and our Westminster parliament are blurred by this problem and that in the future we may need 4 parliaments including an English only parliament with perhaps a federal parliament to discuss UK only issues.

The world is changing and I think the face of the UK is also changing and we may need to seriously reflect on the future of politics in these islands in the forthcoming decades.

[waterhog]

kirky my baby
i back you and agree with joey.
its perfect sense both had long times to ajust
both parts left us to rust.
this is why its self inflict
and its so pathetic they all contradict.
18 years of the blue
followed by 13 years of unsure glue.
but labor i would say is better
untill they welcomed with the immigration letter.
both have let down
this is why the queen has a split crown.
they need some back bone
nigel may say some strange things but he is not alone.
we need change and something radical
because destroying this country is everything political.

kirky please reply
joey don't dare cry.
love both post
reading over with morning toast.
going back to bed as its banging
mad one last night, the bells are ringing.


night night you 2

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Sounds to me like the current state of politics favours a devolved UK, the SNP will push this as their main issue and regardless of how much power they win next week their main priority will still be Scotland and its future not the future of the UK . Similarly in Wales the plaid Cymru party have really only Wales at heart and again all their politics will be to push the agenda for a move devolved govt and stronger powers for Wales .

This leaves the two main parties labour and conservative who I think have the majority of their vote from England and could be looked on as English parties.

The union I think is suffering politically as if you are British and Scottish your primary concern is Scotland not the UK similarly in Wales or Northern Ireland this also applies.

But to be English and be a fervent supporter of England is kinda lost as it gets mixed into being British almost as if being British trumps being English . The English identity is almost overshadowed by being the major player in the United kingdom.

I think our politics and our Westminster parliament are blurred by this problem and that in the future we may need 4 parliaments including an English only parliament with perhaps a federal parliament to discuss UK only issues.

The world is changing and I think the face of the UK is also changing and we may need to seriously reflect on the future of politics in these islands in the forthcoming decades.

The problem is Nedusa that being british is really about being English and always has been simply by the size of England and the fact you have the biggest city by miles and the government/monarchy

Its easy to love britain and the union when you are 10x as big as the other countries. You dont notice all the things that piss off the scots and welsh etc



The breakup is inevitable and has already started

[empire]

both labour and the cons, are to blame, because they sold are country out to the eu, blairs new labour alienated the british people especially the working class, by lowering the wage levels, in turn bringing in zero hour contracts, opening the flood gates in turn making it alot harder for people to find jobs, tory cuts and welfare reforms, have made it more harder to find part time interviews, job centure bosses make too many restrictive rules and give you less time to find jobs,

[Scarlett.]

It's all the parties fault, they've all become so undesirable, muddied by dozens of scandals and incidents. It's less "Who is the best party" these days and more "Who is the least worst"

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Chewy

It's all the parties fault, they've all become so undesirable, muddied by dozens of scandals and incidents. It's less "Who is the best party" these days and more "Who is the least worst"

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Sounds to me like the current state of politics favours a devolved UK, the SNP will push this as their main issue and regardless of how much power they win next week their main priority will still be Scotland and its future not the future of the UK . Similarly in Wales the plaid Cymru party have really only Wales at heart and again all their politics will be to push the agenda for a move devolved govt and stronger powers for Wales .

This leaves the two main parties labour and conservative who I think have the majority of their vote from England and could be looked on as English parties.

The union I think is suffering politically as if you are British and Scottish your primary concern is Scotland not the UK similarly in Wales or Northern Ireland this also applies.

But to be English and be a fervent supporter of England is kinda lost as it gets mixed into being British almost as if being British trumps being English . The English identity is almost overshadowed by being the major player in the United kingdom.

I think our politics and our Westminster parliament are blurred by this problem and that in the future we may need 4 parliaments including an English only parliament with perhaps a federal parliament to discuss UK only issues.

The world is changing and I think the face of the UK is also changing and we may need to seriously reflect on the future of politics in these islands in the forthcoming decades.

There is no "English identity" BECAUSE it has always (or at least for so long that it might as well be always) been the major player within Britain. English national identity = British national identity, there is very little difference between the two. There are LOCAL identites within England, especially further North (Yorkshire, Lancashire, "Geordies" in Newcastle and surrounding areas, etc.) but they are all very distinct from each other and have their own quirks and traditions, which sort of goes with what you're saying about UK politics and devolution. England as a united whole doesn't have any real sort of identity, whereas Scotland, Wales and Ireland all do...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There is no "English identity" BECAUSE it has always (or at least for so long that it might as well be always) been the major player within Britain. English national identity = British national identity, there is very little difference between the two. There are LOCAL identites within England, especially further North (Yorkshire, Lancashire, "Geordies" in Newcastle and surrounding areas, etc.) but they are all very distinct from each other and have their own quirks and traditions, which sort of goes with what you're saying about UK politics and devolution. England as a united whole doesn't have any real sort of identity, whereas Scotland, Wales and Ireland all do...

Another really great post TS.