[Kizzy]

'NHS regulators are to take control of health services in three entire regions of England where hospitals are failing, the Guardian has learned.

The move is an unprecedented measure to correct system-wide failure in three regions, that will be revealed by the chief executive of NHS England on Wednesday.

The Guardian understands that Essex is one of those areas. Hospitals there have been struggling with staff shortages, waiting time failures and financial problems that have damaged patient care.

Key NHS bodies and regulators will impose a newly-devised and euphemistically named “success regime” on the three parts of the country, and push through determined action to ensure hospitals, GP surgeries and other NHS service providers work together much more closely to tackle deep-seated problems which previous initiatives have failed to banish.'

Beginning of the end.


http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...nglish-regions

[StephenPullen]

We all knew it would happen under the Conservatives - that's what you get for voting them in.

I can see an insurance system on the horizon like the one in the United States. The only difference between here and the United States is that here the average Joe Bloggs won't be able to afford to pay for an insurance policy or even pay towards an employer semi-subsidized health plan (if they will even happen here, which I doubt it will).

[Livia]

Typical Guardian doom, gloom and scaremongering.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Typical Guardian doom, gloom and scaremongering.

Yes many at the Election
many said they want to get better in hospital
even if its a Private deal - but still free

Labour not trusted
that why they are out and in disarray

[joeysteele]

I still prefer to believe what the Doctors and Nurses say as to the real agenda of this govt as to the NHS.

This article in itself explains a little but there is more to come and it will not be likely pleasant.
I will still never believe or trust David Cameron with the NHS.

The vast majority of Doctors and Nurses want the best for the NHS and themselves too,they don't wish to engage in scaremongering, they are in the front line, they can see what is happening so I take their word over David Cameron's any day.

Fortunately,he only has a small overall majority so may need to cut back again heavily as to his 'real' plans for the NHS.

[Livia]

There are plenty of medical staff who don't trust Labour any more than they trust the Tories. It isn't a one-sided story.

[Kizzy]

Private but still free, how will that work then?

Here's the pdf if the Guardian reporting isn't sufficient.

'Over the next year we will co-design a programme of support with a small
number of selected areas and organisations that have already made good progress
and which are on the cusp of being able to introduce the new care models set
out in the Forward View. Our goal is to make rapid progress in developing new
models of promoting health and wellbeing and providing care that can then be
replicated much more easily in future years. Achieving this goal involves structured
partnership rather than a top-down, compliance-based approach. So we are today
extending an open invitation to local and national partner organisations to put
themselves forward by the end of January 2015 to work alongside us in creating and
implementing these new prototypes.'

http://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content...iew-plning.pdf

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

There are plenty of medical staff who don't trust Labour any more than they trust the Tories. It isn't a one-sided story.

I have relatives that work in the NHS and don't know anyone who trusts the tories even remotely

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I have relatives that work in the NHS and don't know anyone who trusts the tories even remotely

I have relatives who work in the NHS, I have a friend staying with me who works in mental health and they all think Labour are a joke. Nothing is ever 100%.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have relatives who work in the NHS, I have a friend staying with me who works in mental health and they all think Labour are a joke. Nothing is ever 100%.

Possibly a matter of the areas in which we live, my local hospital is in an area split between a centre-left and a right-wing constituency. In there none of them trust the conservatives but there's probably a minority of them out there. It's no secret that the NHS staff lean towards Labour, probably a result of the cuts? Those huge ones they unveiled?

Now I'd really like to know if they are dedicated to their £8bn promise.

[JoshBB]

This shouldnt be a matter of blaming parties anyway, but this whole principle of privatisation is a dangerous one and we should not let ourselves be dragged into pointing fingers but instead doing whatever we can to prevent it

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I have relatives that work in the NHS and don't know anyone who trusts the tories even remotely

anyone is more trustworthy than the evil liars from new labour party....they even destroyed labour legends like tony benn

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Possibly a matter of the areas in which we live, my local hospital is in an area split between a centre-left and a right-wing constituency. In there none of them trust the conservatives but there's probably a minority of them out there. It's no secret that the NHS staff lean towards Labour, probably a result of the cuts? Those huge ones they unveiled?

Now I'd really like to know if they are dedicated to their £8bn promise.

they are dedicated and they've stated it umpteen times and have the money. they have the money because the economy is vastly better under them than the dreadful new labour who bankrupted the country and despite increased vastly the expense on public sector jobs the corruption and abuses reach all time high , new labour then covered up the phenomenal systematic abuse across the whole country especially in social services see Rotherham and the nhs see Stafford hospital and many more...under new labour 25,000 innocent people died of undiagnosed blood clots in british hospitals and the hospitals became the filthiest in Europe where mrsa was 70 times higher in the uk than in Scandinavian countries....since the tories got in, theres been no mrsa no mass scandals like Stafford or Rotherham..........and thousands more people died on Saturday and sunday because the hospitals were understaffed, the rotas were inflexible and the scanners were all off on weekends...what an absolute disgrace, thousands dying simply because of staff rotas and scanners turned off...many of those idiots should be done for manslaughter

this move will save the nhs millions in middle management and frankly frighteningly wasteful corrupt trusts

and yes the service will still be free, that is written in stone

go for it dave

Cameron wants a 7 day a week nhs

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

This shouldnt be a matter of blaming parties anyway, but this whole principle of privatisation is a dangerous one and we should not let ourselves be dragged into pointing fingers but instead doing whatever we can to prevent it

no more dangerous than what we had under new labour.....the nhs should claim back on travel insurance foreign insurance and the people cared for at home if they have private care policies then that should be claimed back by nhs trusts....the ombudsmen must be strengthened , more staff dealing with complaints anonymously....no more cover ups...cut back the wasteful middle management.....rent out empty wards and rooms ......but keep the service free

there is nothing wrong at all with these policies which save a fortune for the nhs

and keeping the scanners on 7 days a week and vastly more hours will save millions of lives over the years

[StephenPullen]

Originally Posted by the truth

they are dedicated and they've stated it umpteen times and have the money. they have the money because the economy is vastly better under them than the dreadful new labour who bankrupted the country and despite increased vastly the expense on public sector jobs the corruption and abuses reach all time high , new labour then covered up the phenomenal systematic abuse across the whole country especially in social services see Rotherham and the nhs see Stafford hospital and many more...under new labour 25,000 innocent people died of undiagnosed blood clots in british hospitals and the hospitals became the filthiest in Europe where mrsa was 70 times higher in the uk than in Scandinavian countries....since the tories got in, theres been no mrsa no mass scandals like Stafford or Rotherham..........and thousands more people died on Saturday and sunday because the hospitals were understaffed, the rotas were inflexible and the scanners were all off on weekends...what an absolute disgrace, thousands dying simply because of staff rotas and scanners turned off...many of those idiots should be done for manslaughter

this move will save the nhs millions in middle management and frankly frighteningly wasteful corrupt trusts

and yes the service will still be free, that is written in stone

go for it dave

Cameron wants a 7 day a week nhs

When will you be receiving your invitation to the Conservative party dinner - you must be a big contributor?

[smudgie]

Hopefully if gets a good shake up.
I am all for stopping these ridiculous rates earned by doctors and nurses from the agencies, management/admin are a big drain as well, hoping for savage cuts and wage cuts for those at the top.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Possibly a matter of the areas in which we live, my local hospital is in an area split between a centre-left and a right-wing constituency. In there none of them trust the conservatives but there's probably a minority of them out there. It's no secret that the NHS staff lean towards Labour, probably a result of the cuts? Those huge ones they unveiled?

Now I'd really like to know if they are dedicated to their £8bn promise.

What's with the laughing emoticon?

The friend I have staying with me works in Newham, FYI.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Hopefully if gets a good shake up.
I am all for stopping these ridiculous rates earned by doctors and nurses from the agencies, management/admin are a big drain as well, hoping for savage cuts and wage cuts for those at the top.

Couldn't agree more.

[Vicky.]

Honestly, given my experience with the NHS in the past year or so, its possible private companies could do better. As logn as its still going to be 'free' I'm not too arsed now.

Basically, I now have to wait a MONTH to see a doctor, despite being repeatedly told its not possible to book appointments more than a week in advance...work that one out

I waited 4 months for a pain clinic appointment, only to be told when I got there that its been double booked and I had to rearrange it. Called to rearrange it and was told the hospital had marked me down as did not attend, so now have to wait for new referal again

Also have been meant to be getting scan on liver/gallbladder for ages now to see if thats whats causing pain...been waiting and waiting for appointment to come through. Then randomly received a letter stating as I did not attend last one, **** me basically. However..the reason I did not attend is because I have 2 young kids to look after alone..and they changed the appointment time from 12pm (which would have been fine as I had a sitter sorted) to 9am. And sent the letter out 2 days before the appointment so Im lucky I even got it before the appointment day tbh. I called as soon as I got it saying no way would I be able to get there for that time, and again, was told it would be rearranged...and now no.

Its a ****ing joke.

[arista]

"Basically, I now have to wait a MONTH to see a doctor, despite being repeatedly told its not possible to book appointments more than a week in advance...work that one out"

Its wrong
it appears summer months are overloaded

[Jamesy]

Well the government are purposely pushing the NHS so it has to become privatized, but still free to the public.

They can talk as much as they like about putting in billions of pounds here and there although they don't support themselves with where that money is going and the specific actions they will take to improve certain areas. All they come out with is very generalized comments about how much money they're going to spend, while that may delude some people enough for them to believe the Tories are doing enough for the NHS, I'm sure for many others like myself that's not an answer.

As usual with many other things David Cameron goes off on a tangent, keeping generalized statements so when he does do certain things, like privatizing the NHS, no one can blame him for going back on his word because he didn't propose anything in the first place.

The NHS is slowly being left to fall apart, Cameron will privatize more areas of the NHS (he already did a few months ago) and when the NHS can cope with demand under a private system people will praise Cameron for saving the NHS. When in reality all he had to do was pump those billions of pounds into changing the NHS systems and providing more staff across the entire NHS. But that's the Tories for you, they want it private so they can start making profits off it.

[Kazanne]

STOP ...................................blinking moaning,things will be fine

[Kizzy]

Blinkers.... yep, that just about sums it up.

Nothing private will ever be free, to stave off another mid staffs debacle staffing shortages have to come from agency workers... at a cost to the trust because they have them over a barrel basically.

Who is to blame?

I'm not sure why Labour have been brought into the discussion, these changes have nothing whatsoever to do with the last government :/

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Blinkers.... yep, that just about sums it up.

Nothing private will ever be free, to stave off another mid staffs debacle staffing shortages have to come from agency workers... at a cost to the trust because they have them over a barrel basically.

Who is to blame?

Just being lighthearted here Kizzy,I'm not gonna get down about anything that hasn't happened yet,lifes too short.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just being lighthearted here Kizzy,I'm not gonna get down about anything that hasn't happened yet,lifes too short.

Too true Kaz...I will reserve judgement until we know for sure I guess