[DemolitionRed]

http://www.nhsbill2015.org/

The NHS is on its knees in front of a firing squad whilst most of the British public carry on unaware. Its resources are being starved as its corporate model continues to promote NHS failings. This is NOT a failure of the NHS, its failure of marketization.

It’s a tragedy we don’t appear to be able to stop. The Labour party don’t appear to be concerned enough, activism seems to be doing frustratingly little, the BBC refuses to talk about it and although social media are starting to sit up and take note, its too little too late. The only party who have shown any on going concern is the Green Party but unfortunately they don’t have the status they need to get the message out there.

If we want to rescue our NHS then we need to spread the word.

[joeysteele]

Sadly loads of warnings were said right up to May last year and somehow the party, which was the most risk to the NHS as to the majority of us who know and love it,was the party that got absolute power.

It is a massive organisation, it gets totally right just about all it sets out to do as to care within the limits of its funding,the errors and bad things are what we hear about and all that does is bring down the NHS even more.
When all that is needed is to deal with the errors and bad things,try to ensure they don't happen and make sure the funding is there and sorry but for me if that means raising taxes to ensure the NHS gets all the funding it requires, then so be it.

I doubt many would moan at paying more tax, I wouldn't for one, if I knew the funds were going straight to the NHS budget.
Stop this endless changing as to reforms in the NHS by this govt and that govt.Give it the means to update and get all the modern equipment it needs but stop putting limits and then a price on healthcare and take politics out of it.

Modernise it by all means but take it back to what it was intended to be,free healthcare for all at the point of need from cradle to grave.
Sadly until this lot are gone, things in my view, are only likely to get far worse than they are now.
The last top down re-organisation should never have been done and sadly it seems worse will be forthcoming too.

Another thing that needs doing is get rid of some failing Trust managers and their seemingly endless staff walking round with paper contributing little and nothing to hands on care in Hospitals.
There are some really poor performances in some areas and yet the Trust Management seem to escape scot free most of the time.
Get rid and also in my view reduce the Trust management levels too, to me they and their staff are like a form of parasites bleeding the NHS rather than an asset to it.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Sadly loads of warnings were said right up to May last year and somehow the party, which was the most risk to the NHS as to the majority of us who know and love it,was the party that got absolute power.

We saw the warnings Joey but I read something recently (I'll try and find it) which said, research shows that only a very low percent of the British population actually believe we are leaving the NHS. Those of us who are fully aware and very concerned are still very small in number.

Camerons got a great sales pitch; he could sell sand to the Arabs. Part of that pitch reassured the masses he would be giving more funding to the NHS.

It is a massive organisation, it gets totally right just about all it sets out to do as to care within the limits of its funding,the errors and bad things are what we hear about and all that does is bring down the NHS even more.
When all that is needed is to deal with the errors and bad things,try to ensure they don't happen and make sure the funding is there and sorry bit for me if that means raising taxes to ensure the NHS gets all the funding it requires, then so be it.

I doubt many would moan at paying more tax, I wouldn't for one, if I knew the funds were going straight to the NHS budget.
Stop this endless changing as to reforms in the NHS by this govt and that govt.Give it the means to update and get all the modern equipment it needs but stop putting limits and then a price on healthcare and take politics out of it.

I'm with you on that but I don't believe this was ever about affordability. It was about lobbing more of the social structure tree and turning medicine into big business.

Modernise it by all means but take it back to what it was intended to be,free healthcare for all at the point of need from cradle to grave.
Sadly until this lot are gone, things in my view, are only likely to get far worse than they are now.
The last top down re-organisation should never have been done and sadly it seems worse will be forthcoming too.

Another thing that needs doing is get rid of some failing Trust managers and their seemingly endless staff walking round with paper contributing little and nothing to hands on care in Hospitals.
There are some really poor performances in some areas and yet the Trust Management seem to escape scot free most of the time.
Get rid and also in my view reduce the Trust management levels too, to me they and their staff are like a form of parasites bleeding the NHS rather than an asset to it.

I agree. Its all about inputting data, increasing excel spreadsheet numbers and internal accounting. They got rid of middle management and replaced them with subcontractors who cost more and don't do as good a job.

I recently had a repeat prescription changed to something I'm allergic to. My doctor didn't change it, the clinician who was dealing with it did and she/he did it because the one I'm allergic to is cheaper. The clinician can't look at my medical records, that say in big red letters '*****Allergy" but do have the right to change my prescription, if her data base shows a cheaper option. This is not 'Best Practice', this is less and less in the interest of patients.

[Ammi]

..I don't think that most of the British public are unaware of failings in the NHS as it is because I would say that most of the British public have in some way experienced those failings themselves, whether it be through knowing staff of the NHS, personal experiences, those of people they know/family members/friends of etc...I think it's something that most public have knowledge of/the failings...campaign for the NHS as it is now, I would say no because it's obvious of improvements which have to happen to 'sustain' the care of health/physical and mental well being...all of the things that made the NHS one of the best systems of it's kind when it was founded and when it did sustain...but sadly a system that was doomed to failing unless that old thing/supply and demand of needs...and I think whatever government we had now, it would still be failing...so a 'new NHS'..?...would be the thing, looking into how all needs of care could be met, a health system that would be in today, what the NHS was when it was founded...I will say that there are some balance of positives..(which doesn't dismiss any failings, I know, although not everyone's experiences are that the NHS has failed them or is failing them..)...flu injections are given in schools now (non compulsory..)...that's something new that's been funded and also many, many School nurse drop in clinics, where any physical or emotional concerns for parents can be discussed with a medical team..and advice given there, that's a really good thing for parents who may feel that they may be 'considered a worrying/over-protective parent', if they were to take up a GP appointment to discuss somethings regarding their child.../that they're not sure whether it's a worry or not...so all good and positive to free GP surgery time...

[DemolitionRed]

I think if most of the British public was fully aware of just how much of the NHS is now in private hands and the governments present plans at selling off more, there would be national outrage.

[Ammi]

..there is many National frustrations, I think would be a better way to think of it because I think there are, I think that's apparent here as it is everywhere...also not only specifically with the NHS...

[the truth]

I'd rather campaign for the patients than the nhs as it gets skewed by the self interests of the staff....The pro nhs save the nhs crowd, which should be everyone really need to clarify their opinions. as it stands their messages are getting lost in the maelstrom

[Kizzy]

There aren't any failings in the NHS, there are failings with funding and provision for the NHS to be able to deliver care to their standards. They have been failed as have the nation.

An abandoned NHS patient record system has so far cost the taxpayer nearly Ł10bn, with the final bill for what would have been the world's largest civilian computer system likely to be several hundreds of millions of pounds higher, according a highly critical report from parliament's public spending watchdog.

MPs on the public accounts committee said final costs are expected to increase beyond the existing Ł9.8bn because new regional IT systems for the NHS, introduced to replace the National Programme for IT, are also being poorly managed and are riven with their own contractual wrangles.

When the original plan was abandoned the total bill was expected to be Ł6.4bn.

Richard Bacon, a Conservative member of the committee, said the report was further evidence of a "systemic failure" in the government's ability to draw up and manage large IT contracts. "This saga is one of the worst and most expensive contracting fiascos in the history of the public sector.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ds-system-10bn

And there's the universal credit write off don't forget...

It is difficult to hazard a guess regarding the current bill of total losses on the programme. The Public Accounts Committee says Ł425m had been spent as of November last year, the majority of which it expects to be wasted.

The DWP has admitted that beyond the Ł40m in losses, a further Ł91m is being “written down” over a five-year period, a plan described by the National Audit Office as a “major change in accounting treatment”.

Senior civil servants pitch the current total losses between Ł161m to almost the entire amount spent so far (which ranges from Ł312m to almost Ł700m depending on who you ask, and Labour says equates to just over Ł190,000 per claimant)

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...rnment-failure

[the truth]

THERE ARENT ANY FAILINGS? sorry but did you expect anyone to take you seriously after that?

[Kizzy]

Yes, the government are failing in their duty of care to provide a national health service... it's not the workers issue there are staff shortages and contractual changes.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes, the government are failing in their duty of care to provide a national health service... it's not the workers issue there are staff shortages and contractual changes.

lol right no one in the nhs makes mistakes? the irony too is new labour ploughed in billions more in increased spending and the abuses GREW ....THE NEGLECT GOT WORSE WE ENDED UP WITH HOSPITALS 70 DIRTIER THAN SWEDEN..I find it hilarious that socialists here think throwing money at the problem is the only solution lol...isn't their mantra meant to be theres more to life than money and monetarism? its also ironic labour fans demand more money now when their party bankrupted the nation? lol what a joke.

[Kizzy]

The hospitals got dirtier when the cleaning contracts were outsourced. Nothing to do with hospital staff.