[jaxie]

"We'll not take decisions until we are ready, we will not reveal our hand prematurely and we will not provide a running commentary on every twist and turn," she said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-37295418

Fair enough?

[bitontheslide]

i think its fair enough, we want the best terms possible, and publishing details early can jeopardise that. I wasn't a particular fan of May before she became PM, but so far she has been very steady I think.

[arista]

"Fair enough? "


No I want a start date of the 2 year out contract
the money markets are ready for it
Big money will be exchanged
once the date is announced.
keeping it Secret
is wrong

[Withano]

Aka we'll do nothing and let Labour deal with it after the next election

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

Aka we'll do nothing and let Labour deal with it after the next election

No the World demands we do it now
so we need the 2 year date - start up

[joeysteele]

I agree with her in that you don't reveal your hand in situations like this, however I do not think she has a hand even hoped for let alone planned.

The truth is all the Politicians in govt. and opposition parties too never expected to be having to do this, they had no plan before the referendum, during it and clearly none after it.

None of them had a single idea how to progress in a 'leave' result.

She cannot give a timetable either as to when article 50 will be triggered, it is described as sometime next year, it may well be that is not done until after the French and German elections next year,waiting to see what changes and who they may be dealing with.

Also, there are a growing number of Conservative MPs who want Parliaments consultations before it is triggered.

I do not envy her this task she has to see through but she does need to make sure absolutely everything is right with no errors or overlooking any aspect of this monumental task.

Years of forming deals after we leave the EU will take us into another general election possibly too, she really has to address that too.
A govt. unable to have completed the leaving process and ensuring all other deals in place by the time the Country votes in another general election, only 3 years and 8 months away now as to the maximum time there can be between elections, will be a disaster.

Little wonder then, that to be fair to her, she cannot really spell anything out now.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Aka we'll do nothing and let Labour deal with it after the next election

Labour won't win the next election. They have no chance... they're still comsuming themselves.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by arista

No the World demands we do it now
so we need the 2 year date - start up

Think you need to start demanding louder cos not much is being done

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

Labour won't win the next election. They have no chance... they're still comsuming themselves.

Every party is a wreck atm, I think they stand the best chance personally.

[joeysteele]

In this political situation and with over 3 and a half years to go to the next election at present, with the NHS chaos and also the really complex task of dismantling 40 years+ of partnership and membership with the rest of Europe and the EU.
To predict anything as to the next election is very unwise in my view.

Public opinion seems to change every week almost, it may well be that Labour will not win the next election, that will be pretty unlikely anyway with the Scottish situation , however it could be a very easy thing to achieve in wiping away this govts overall majority.

There will be, no matter what the Labour situation is,an even stronger anti Conservative House of Commons,that no matter what the number of seats the Conservative party have another unifying idea comes in for all parties opposed to the Conservatives.
namely electoral reform.

The referendum has shown what it can mean when your vote does really count.

The Conservative party ad its hardline supporters may be jumping up and down with glee at Labours problems at present but it may be they will not be the ones who get the last laugh in the end.

Elections past and present have shown what can happen when parties and their core supporters arrogantly take the Country and voters for granted, and who say voters will elect this party, this leader and not that Party or Leader.

Wishful and arrogant thinking can become one of the biggest banana skins in politics.

Conservative supporters and the party too wrote Labour off in the 80s, how totally wrong they were then and I really hope they will be proven wrong again as to their arrogance now.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Withano

Every party is a wreck atm, I think they stand the best chance personally.

Let us also wait and see how the leaving plans of the EU go too, there are still many Conservative MPs who are possibly likely to not support leaving the single market.

Maybe many more issues in the Conservative party to come on Europe yet.

The only thing certain in politics is in fact that nothing is certain, except elections will be held to elect governments.

[bitontheslide]

i don't agree that the tory party is a wreck. Take a look at labour and the 2 choices it has for leader are unelectable and the party is likely to split and fight. I predict an election within the next 12 months, and the tories will win.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't agree that the tory party is a wreck. Take a look at labour and the 2 choices it has for leader are unelectable and the party is likely to split and fight. I predict an election within the next 12 months, and the tories will win.

To have an election in 12 months, Theresa May will have to either persuade over 100 of her MPs to vote for an election assuming all the opposition parties vote for same too.
434 MPs have to vote for a general election to be called.

Or she will have to come back to Parliament with the fixed term parliament act to get a vote to repeal it.
There is no guarantee with a small majority, she would get that through the commons and then it would also if it did, have to go to the Lords to be debated and voted on.
She cannot just now call and election at her own bidding.

At present Labour is not going to vote for an election and no way would it vote to repeal that act.
She is going to need a lot longer than 12 months now in the current climate to get all that done.

[Tom4784]

If the Tories get voted in again after the ****show that has been this regime then I'm done with politics and won't ever bother voting again. Let the public lie in a bed of **** of their own making.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

To have an election in 12 months, Theresa May will have to either persuade over 100 of her MPs to vote for an election assuming all the opposition parties vote for same too.
434 MPs have to vote for a general election to be called.

Or she will have to come back to Parliament with the fixed term parliament act to get a vote to repeal it.
There is no guarantee with a small majority, she would get that, through the Commons, and then it would have to be debated and voted and passed by the Lords too.

At present Labour is not going to vote for an election and noway would it vote to repeal that act.
She is going to need a lot longer than 12 months now in the current climate to get all that done.

picture the scenario .... May says in 3 months time ... we are having an election. Are labour really going to say, with any credibility, no, no, we are not ready yet, you carry on for your full term ... not in a million years

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

picture the scenario .... May says in 3 months time ... we are having an election. Are labour really going to say, with any credibility, no, no, we are not ready yet, you carry on for your full term ... not in a million years

She cannot just say that, parliament has to vote for an election the PM has not that power now.
She would need all the SNP, Labour, Plaid Cymru MPs,the Green MP, all the Northern Irish parties MPs and the UKIP MP along with over 100 of her own MPs at least to get to 434 MPs supporting an election.

Labour has to act in its own interests and its supporters, an election now is for sure far from that,and Labour would rightly not be forgiven for opening the door to a Conservative govt with a greater majority from an election.

Not a chance would Labour, or indeed in my view,likely other parties vote for an election now.
The SNP for one will not want to risk losing any of its Westminster seats really.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

She cannot just say that, parliament has to vote for an election the PM has not that power now.
She would need all the SNP, Labour, Plaid Cymru MPs,the Green MP, all the Northern Irish parties MPs and the UKIP MP along with over 100 of her own MPs at least to get to 434 MPs.

Labour has to act in its own interests and its supporters, an election now is for sure far from that,and Labour would rightly not be forgiven for opening the door to a Conservative govt with a greater majority from an election.

Not a chance would Labour, or indeed likely others parties vote for an election now.

if labour threw away the chance of getting in to government, it would destroy them as a party for decades. Not going to happen. Wasn't it only a few short months ago that labour were saying the government had no mandate without an election to trigger article 50? Can't have it both ways

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Aka we'll do nothing and let Labour deal with it after the next election

Labour have no hope of winning any elections in the forseeable future. They are a mess, they don't have a leadership, they don't have a viable replacement leadership. No one is going to vote for Corbyn or the new guy.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Every party is a wreck atm, I think they stand the best chance personally.

I have to disagree, Withano. No one wants Corbyn to win the Labour leadership election more than the Tories. I worked in politics for a long time and I've never seen a political party shooting itself repeatedly in the foot more times than Labour has. Conservatives have also been through a rocky patch but have gained a little stability with May being brought in at the helm and although people will tell you differently, there was always a contingency plan in the Brexit vote was "leave".

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If the Tories get voted in again after the ****show that has been this regime then I'm done with politics and won't ever bother voting again. Let the public lie in a bed of **** of their own making.

That's the way to change things!

Labour won't win because they are a mess. For a new Labour government we have to wait until they get a clue otherwise there is no one else but tory.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if labour threw away the chance of getting in to government, it would destroy them as a party for decades. Not going to happen. Wasn't it only a few short months ago that labour were saying the government had no mandate without an election to trigger article 50? Can't have it both ways

No,Labour didn't, they said she should present a plan for leaving to the voters before triggering article 50,they also said a general election was a way to do so for all parties.
Since she is now not triggering article 50 until at least next year sometime, Labour now are calling for ,as even some Conservative MPs want too, parliament to have a vote on the timing of triggering article 50.

No party at all is going to vote for an election they really believe they could lose at the time.
By voting for an election now, Labour could see the Conservatives in power for even longer than just over another 3 years, no way at this present time with polls as they are, will Labour vote for a general election.

That would be in my view total madness to vote for an election to 'suit' only the Conservatives.

Can you really see all the parties of the Commons voting for an election.
I maybe mistakenly said earlier the only thing certain in politics is that nothing is certain but on this, I step back from that as no way would they 'all' vote for an election for sure.

[joeysteele]

We would all love to be enlightened as to any contingency plan,( if there ever really was or is one),that 'any' of the Parties had as to this EU referendum and the event of a 'leave' result.

Probably even the present govt would like to hear it too.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No,Labour didn't, they said she should present a plan for leaving to the voters before triggering article 50,they also said a general election was a way to do so for all parties.
Since she is now not triggering article 50 until at least next year sometime, Labour now are calling for ,as even some Conservative MPs want too, parliament to have a vote on the timing of triggering article 50.

No party at all is going to vote for an election they really believe they could lose at the time.
By voting for an election now, Labour could see the Conservatives in power for even longer than just over another 3 years, no way at this present time with polls as they are, will Labour vote for a general election.

That would be in my view total madness to vote for an election to 'suit' only the Conservatives.

Can you really see all the parties of the Commons voting for an election.
I maybe mistakenly said earlier the only thing certain in politics is that nothing is certain but on this, I step back from that as no way would they 'all' vote for an election for sure.

lets revisit later in a few months

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

We would all love to be enlightened as to any contingency plan,( if there ever really was or is one),that 'any' of the Parties had as to this EU referendum and the event of a 'leave' result.

Probably even the present govt would like to hear it too.

If they are keeping plans close to their chests because they don't want to put all their cards on the table we can't really also demand to know plans, we are just going to have to wait and see.

[jaxie]

From what I understand of what is going on with Labour is that they have a lot of new young members in the party and in pressure groups. Jeremy is down with the kids who love him and see him as some sort of soft spoken hippy cnd hero who will right all the wrongs of politics. They want him as leader and are loading all the voting etc with their weight.

However to actually get him elected in parliament they need the rest of us, particularly floating voters like me. They haven't a hope in hell of persuading me to vote for him.

Hiliary Benn, I might actually be persuaded.