[Denver]

I live in an area where people hardly speak English and have seen circumstances where they require a translator to talk to people who speak English.

So do you believe that migrants should be able to speak English before coming to the UK?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I live in an area where people hardly speak English and have seen circumstances where they require a translator to talk to people who speak English.

So do you believe that migrants should be able to speak English before coming to the UK?

Yes.

[Withano]

It isnt mandatory to speak a second language to move from Britain to a different country, and I'm a fan of practice what you preach, and not being a hypocrite.. so no.. I don't think it should be mandatory..
All those British journalists, holiday reps, teachers, doctors, soldiers etc working abroad would be devastated if they were fired tomorrow cos these rules were put in place, as would all the prospective workers planning on a career in any of these fields.

[smudgie]

I would imagine you need to speak the language of any country to be able to communicate enough to carry out most jobs.
So in most cases then yes.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Withano

It isnt mandatory to speak a second language to move from Britain to a different country, and I'm a fan of practice what you preach, and not being a hypocrite.. so no.. I don't think it should be mandatory..
All those British journalists, holiday reps, teachers, doctors, soldiers etc working abroad would be devastated if they were fired tomorrow cos these rules were put in place

Holiday reps usually speak the language .

Soldiers are there to create peace not stay for ever.

They cant come to this country and expect benefits and free NHS if they are not will to become part of British culture

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Holiday reps usually speak the language .

Soldiers are there to create peace not stay for ever.

They cant come to this country and expect benefits and free NHS if they are not will to become part of British culture

Your rules aren't equal for what you expect of British people working abroad, and others working in Britain.. so, thats where we're differing on this subject.
If holiday reps usually speak the language, and migrants usually speak the language, you shouldnt have a problem unless your rules are unequal.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Withano

Your rules aren't equal for what you expect of British people working abroad, and others working in Britain.. so, thats where we're differing on this subject.

British people are required to speak the Language of other countries they wish to work in because the jobs they go for are very important jobs that require such a thing

[jaxie]

I think it's fairly vital to be able to speak enough language to communicate effectively wherever you live. It's detrimental to any individual to be unable to communicate.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Adam.

British people are required to speak the Language of other countries they wish to work in because the jobs they go for are very important jobs that require such a thing

No, thats not true (as we've both already suggested in this thread). But at least you pretending to believe this stops your point being hypocritical I suppose.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Withano

No, thats not true (as we've both already suggested in this thread). But at least you pretending to believe this stops your point being hypocritical I suppose.

Where is your prove that this high up British Teachers, Doctors and Holiday reps dont speak other languages

[Cherie]

In all honesty a lot of migrants speak English. It's just they choose to speak their own language when in their own communities

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Withano

It isnt mandatory to speak a second language to move from Britain to a different country, and I'm a fan of practice what you preach, and not being a hypocrite.. so no.. I don't think it should be mandatory..
All those British journalists, holiday reps, teachers, doctors, soldiers etc working abroad would be devastated if they were fired tomorrow cos these rules were put in place, as would all the prospective workers planning on a career in any of these fields.

I agree with this, I'm pretty sure I recall a few articles a while back that made a point about how unwilling UK Emigrants are often known to be when it comes to intergration so I believe in leading by example for anyone that wants this enforced. If knowledge of the English language should be made mandatory to live in other countries than UK citizens must face similar restrictions when it comes to emigration.

I personally would never choose to live in a country where I couldn't speak, read and write the language since I'd never be able to fully integrate but I don't believe in forcing standards I'd set for myself on anyone else. Instead I think we should encourage migrants to learn the language and provide ample opportunity for them to do so. I also think on the flip side that language education in general should be expanded on for all of the UK. In a lot of European countries, children are often taught a second language from a young age which gives them more prospects in later life while in the UK, the education of foreign languages is often an afterthought reserved mostly for Secondary Schools and few students bother to pick it up afterwards because it is an afterthought. Language education should form a part of a child's education from Primary School and I believe there should be more opportunities available for adult learners to pick up other languages because it can help broaden horizons and prospects and we should try to catch up to the rest of the world on the language front.

[Firewire]

No because there are people who speak Gaelic or Welsh for example that don't speak any English at all or vice versa

I can't speak Gaelic and I'm not interested in learning Gaelic yet I live in Scotland

If I moved to Spain tomorrow I wouldn't be able to speak Spanish. I may learn Spanish in time but I would not be in any rush to as it is very time consuming to learn another language.

So people can move here and not be able to speak the language. It will be very difficult for them but there's their choice.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Firewire

No because there are people who speak Gaelic or Welsh for example that don't speak any English at all or vice versa

I can't speak Gaelic and I'm not interested in learning Gaelic yet I live in Scotland

If I moved to Spain tomorrow I wouldn't be able to speak Spanish. I may learn Spanish in time but I would not be in any rush to as it is very time consuming to learn another language.

So people can move here and not be able to speak the language. It will be very difficult for them but there's their choice.

All Welsh people speak English and Welsh is hardly ever spoken and kids dont learn it these days

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I agree with this, I'm pretty sure I recall a few articles a while back that made a point about how unwilling UK Emigrants are often known to be when it comes to intergration so I believe in leading by example for anyone that wants this enforced. If knowledge of the English language should be made mandatory to live in other countries than UK citizens must face similar restrictions when it comes to emigration.

I personally would never choose to live in a country where I couldn't speak, read and white the language since I'd never be able to fully integrate but I don't believe in forcing standards I'd set for myself on anyone else. Instead I think we should encourage migrants to learn the language and provide ample opportunity for them to do so. I also think on the flip side that language education in general should be expanded on for all of the UK. In a lot of European countries, children are often taught a second language from a young age which gives them more prospects in later life while in the UK, the education of foreign languages is often an afterthought reserved mostly for Secondary Schools and few students bother to pick it up afterwards because it is an afterthought. Language education should form a part of a child's education from Primary School and I believe there should be more opportunities available for adult learners to pick up other languages because it can help broaden horizons and prospects and we should try to catch up to the rest of the world on the language front.

Racist

[Denver]

The only English community abroad who dont speak the language are the ones in Benidorm which English is spoken more then Spanish

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Withano

It isnt mandatory to speak a second language to move from Britain to a different country, and I'm a fan of practice what you preach, and not being a hypocrite.. so no.. I don't think it should be mandatory..
All those British journalists, holiday reps, teachers, doctors, soldiers etc working abroad would be devastated if they were fired tomorrow cos these rules were put in place, as would all the prospective workers planning on a career in any of these fields.

This is my view on it too.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Where is your prove that this high up British Teachers, Doctors and Holiday reps dont speak other languages

If you want to be a holiday rep in kavos, you do not need to learn Greek lol. I can't imagine I can find a source because its simply common knowledge, who would write up an article on that. Same goes for any other holiday rep in every other country. There are thousands of British TEFL teachers across Asia and South America, and hundreds of British doctors working in warzone countries. A link isnt required, a basic understanding of how the world works is.
These people shouldnt be denied their job because they cant speak a language, they are providing a service. It is for this reason that I believe your argument is hypocritical, you simply expect more of foreigners than you do of British people.
If you believe all these people should be fired tomorrow, then you have a pretty interesting debate, until then, its a one-sided argument.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Withano

If you want to be a holiday rep in magaluf, you do not need to learn Greek lol. I can't imagine I can find a source because its simply common knowledge, who would write up an article on that. Same goes for any other holiday rep in every other country. There are thousands of British TEFL teachers across Asia and South America, and hundreds of British doctors working in warzone countries. A link isnt required, a basic understanding of how the world works is.
These people shouldnt be denied their job because they cant speak a language, they are providing a service. It is for this reason that I believe your argument is hypocritical, you simply expect more of foreigners than you do of British people.
If you believe all these people should be fired tomorrow, then you have a pretty interesting debate, until then, its a one-sided argument.

I cant take this seriously if you think they speak Greek in Spain

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I cant take this seriously if you think they speak Greek in Spain

I meant kavos! (But the same goes for magaluf)

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Withano

I meant kavos! (But the same goes for magaluf)

The reasons why is because the locals all speak perfect English so it isnt required

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The reasons why is because the locals all speak perfect English so it isnt required

And the schoolchildren in Beijing or Brazil being taught by British teachers?
The patients in Syria being treated by British doctors?
Can the British journalists living in Iraq can integrate with locals?

Unless you think these people (and the thousands of others I've not mentioned) should all be fired asap, your point is hypocritical.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Withano

And the schoolchildren in Beijing or Brazil being taught by British teachers?
The patients in Syria being treated by British doctors?
Can the British journalists living in Iraq can integrate with locals?

Unless you think these people (and the thousands of others I've not mentioned) should all be fired asap, your point is hypocritical.

Yeah but they're white so it's allowed!!!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Yeah but they're white so it's allowed!!!

Its embarrassing! That is literally what it comes down to! Some weird ingroup/outgroup bias.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Yeah but they're white so it's allowed!!!

Typical Scottish attitude there