[TomC]

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...hief?CMP=fb_gu

A Birmingham primary school that suspended lessons about LGBT rights following protests by parents should resume them, the former head of the schools watchdog has said.

“Parents of pupils at Parkfield community school in Saltley have staged weekly protests over the lessons, which they claim promote gay and transgender lifestyles. Earlier this month, hundreds of mainly Muslim children, aged between four and 11, were withdrawn from the school for the day.”

[TomC]

So glad this case is getting such recognition. There’s no place for this ignorance, bigotry and downright stupidity in this country

[Beso]

Originally Posted by TomC

So glad this case is getting such recognition. There’s no place for this ignorance, bigotry and downright stupidity in this country

How old are you?


I'm 49.

When I was at primary school I got taught maths and the usual stuff...sex came in at secondary school...but I did get me balls felt by a stranger in p6 or 4.

So what's the point in distracting the education of kids with **** like this before they are at an age when it might actually effect them.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by parmnion

How old are you?


I'm 49.

When I was at primary school I got taught maths and the usual stuff...sex came in at secondary school...but I did get me balls felt by a stranger in p6 or 4.

So what's the point in distracting the education of kids with **** like this before they are at an age when it might actually effect them.

It’s not about ‘sex’, don’t be imbecilic. It’s about relationships. But as a matter of fact, we did get basic sex education in primary school a decade ago. It certainly did us nothing but good.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by TomC

It’s not about ‘sex’, don’t be imbecilic. It’s about relationships. But as a matter of fact, we did get basic sex education in primary school a decade ago. It certainly did us nothing but good.

Oh give over...it's got nothing but appeasing a minority in its agenda....


I would feel patronised if I was in their shoes.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Oh give over...it's got nothing but appeasing a minority in its agenda....


I would feel patronised if I was in their shoes.

Pray tell, what is this agenda you oppose so much, I really want to know.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Oh give over...it's got nothing but appeasing a minority in its agenda....


I would feel patronised if I was in their shoes.

Absolutely not. It’s about educating everyone, and helping a minority greatly. It doesn’t harm ANYONE, except for bigoted parents’ fragile sensibilities.

Who would feel patronised?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Oh give over...it's got nothing but appeasing a minority in its agenda....

Cancelling the LGBT lessons was also appeasing a minority, one who it could be argued would be more in need of learning that LGBT people are just like everyone else.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

How old are you?


I'm 49.

When I was at primary school I got taught maths and the usual stuff...sex came in at secondary school...but I did get me balls felt by a stranger in p6 or 4.

So what's the point in distracting the education of kids with **** like this before they are at an age when it might actually effect them.

They aren't teaching kids the ins and outs of gay sex, it's literally just story books in which the child might have two moms or two dads. That's it.

I utterly despise the attitude that simply talking about gay people existing with children is seen as inappropriate.

The school should tell those parents to **** off and reinstate the lessons, any more absences on this issue should be fined. If bigots use religion as their excuse, tell them to go to a faith school instead.

[Beso]

The kids don't need patronised to this extent...little Johnny is still going to get bullied in the playground if he says he used to have a dad that's now demanding to be called mum...


All its doing is pointing out further things for school bullies to pick on someone for. Cause it makes that child feel like he or she can speak about it...the bully is always perched.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What's the problem with telling kids that some families have same sex parents and others don't? That's literally all there is to it but teaching that to kids can save lives because it normalisses homsexuality and gives gay kids something that they have often gone without, a feeling of acceptance and security in who they are.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by parmnion

The kids don't need patronised to this extent...little Johnny is still going to get bullied in the playground if he says he used to have a dad that's now demanding to be called mum...


All its doing is pointing out further things for school bullies to pick on someone for. Cause it makes that child feel like he or she can speak about it...the bully is always perched.

In the same way, this education normalises differences to bullies, rather than ‘pointing out differences’. The prejudice that bullying is based on almost always starts at home, and this kind of education actually brings the class together, normalising the issue.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by TomC

Exactly.



In the same way, this education normalises differences to bullies, rather than ‘pointing out differences’. The prejudice that bullying is based on almost always starts at home, and this kind of education actually brings the class together, normalising the issue.

No, the bully is a bully due to his home life, perhaps beatings from older siblings or father's....girls thinking they are it in a gang perhaps..basically the come in all shapes and sizes...but this is primary school age...and there is only one or two bullies each year..and they will always be bullies.


The bullied kid will be bullied by the bully because he or she is the only kid at school that has spoken up about his dad being mum or anything else that makes him stand out from the norm to the bully.

They ain't helping **** imo.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

No, the bully is a bully due to his home life, perhaps beatings from older siblings or father's....girls thinking they are it in a gang perhaps..basically the come in all shapes and sizes...but this is primary school age...and there is only one or two bullies each year..and they will always be bullies.


The bullied kid will be bullied by the bully because he or she is the only kid at school that has spoken up about his dad being mum or anything else that makes him stand out from the norm to the bully.

They ain't helping **** imo.

Granted - most bullies are bullies because they have crappy lives, and might not actually care if someone is gay, but is using as an "excuse" to target someone.

But it's not just about curing bullies. It's about making people who might otherwise see homosexuality as wrong or sinful realise there's nothing wrong with it.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Granted - most bullies are bullies because they have crappy lives, and might not actually care if someone is gay, but is using as an "excuse" to target someone.

But it's not just about curing bullies. It's about making people who might otherwise see homosexuality as wrong or sinful realise there's nothing wrong with it.

12 yr old kids?


Just cancel assembly it will work out if they are left without anything being said to them.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The kids don't need patronised to this extent...little Johnny is still going to get bullied in the playground if he says he used to have a dad that's now demanding to be called mum...


All its doing is pointing out further things for school bullies to pick on someone for. Cause it makes that child feel like he or she can speak about it...the bully is always perched.

The bullying involving stuff like this, kids having "Gay!!" shouted at them as an insult would actually stop with education like this. Making gay as normal and as casual as straight.

To say, "it should be fine" as though there's no issue, when the big uproar from a bigoted older generation at this school proves it is still an issue in need of addressing.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The kids don't need patronised to this extent...little Johnny is still going to get bullied in the playground if he says he used to have a dad that's now demanding to be called mum...


All its doing is pointing out further things for school bullies to pick on someone for. Cause it makes that child feel like he or she can speak about it...the bully is always perched.

Ir's patronising to tell kids that some families have same sex parents? You seem to be jumping through a lot of illogical hoops to defend what is blatant homophobia on the part of these parents. Not a good look.

The whole bullying argument is such a case of virtue signalling. 'Oh no! We can't teach kids that gay people exist or they might be bullied! It's much better for them to feel completely isolated and alone throughout their childhoods and hope they can be happier in adulthood, if they make it that far!'

The whole bullying line is just a way to keep gay people out of sight and out of mind, it's bull****. People get bullied for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean that we should bow to it and impede process out of fear, you're preaching cowardice.

[Rob!]

It’s about teaching kids that homophobia and discrimination is wrong, there is no way anyone with half a brain cell can object to that.
Do you realise how many gay teens consider or even commit suicide because of their sexuality because of the amount of **** they get from bullying? This aims to eradicate that. It shouldn’t even be up for discussion. Any parent objecting to this should be told that their child isn’t needed at the school if that is the attitude they want to install in them, because yes, it is the parents that will ultimately cement that in their child.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Rob!

It’s about teaching kids that homophobia and discrimination is wrong, there is no way anyone with half a brain cell can object to that.
Do you realise how many gay teens consider or even commit suicide because of their sexuality because of the amount of **** they get from bullying? This aims to eradicate that. It shouldn’t even be up for discussion. Any parent objecting to this should be told that their child isn’t needed at the school if that is the attitude they want to install in them, because yes, it is the parents that will ultimately cement that in their child.

If you took the attitude of telling the parents that thier parent isn't needed at that school their wouldn't be many kids left in school in certain areas of certain cities.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If you took the attitude of telling the parents that thier parent isn't needed at that school their wouldn't be many kids left in school in certain areas of certain cities.

Well, no, because if the parent was the sort of person who would willingly take their child out of a school because said school is trying to teach their children that homophobia is wrong, that's on the parent.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Well, no, because if the parent was the sort of person who would willingly take their child out of a school because said school is trying to teach their children that homophobia is wrong, that's on the parent.

But that's the reality facing that attitude.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by parmnion

But that's the reality facing that attitude.

As it should be. Choose between your own bigotted beliefs or the importance of your child's education.

[Twosugars]

This was the ex ofsted chief talking, not the current one.

Anyway, let's see how it plays out. It's a power struggle between equality and pandering to religious prejudice. I'd not hold my breath with tories in charge.

[Elliot]

Religious bigotry should never triumph human rights, so I’m glad this is the decision that has been made and they haven’t just let themselves get walked over.

[arista]

Aged 4 is too young
that's what the whole problem is.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Aged 4 is too young
that's what the whole problem is.

SRE in KS1 isn't until year 2 so they're not aged 4, and even that only really talks about families and growth.