[nodisharmony]

There is a film called: "Not Without My Daughter"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102555/

If you ever watch this film, it will scare you to death, especially if you arrive in Iran and your husband or partner is like the character in the above film.

It is a true thing, that in Iran and other middle-eastern countries, it is a true fact, that Men are the superior and have the right to dictate over their women.

I think it is discraceful personally and after watching this film, based on a true story, that this is the case.


What do you think?






nodisharmony

[Lauren]

It's often the case, however, in Western society we get the same patriarchy in occupations and general moral ideas.

I'm not really one to dictate what beliefs are "right" in other peoples religion.

[Stu]

Its common knowledge that many middle eastern countries are like this. But its completely accepted over their as normal culture. Your country was once like this too. Im obviously not saying its right but thats the accepted norm over their. Same as public hangings.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Stu
Its common knowledge that many middle eastern countries are like this. But its completely accepted over their as normal culture. Your country was once like this too. Im obviously not saying its right but thats the accepted norm over their. Same as public hangings.

An Iranian man comes to visit Iran and brings his wife along for the holiday, along with their daughter.

His wife is an American citizen, but as they are in Iran, the Male Iranian has the power to keep there daughter in the country, as he is a man and legally can do that, because of that culture.

That is justice, yes??

So the middle-eastern countries are looked upon as being okay, in that respect?

Why do we hear about the constant trouble going on there then?

I don't hear about goings on in Spain so much






nodisharmony

[Stu]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

An Iranian man comes to visit Iran and brings his wife along for the holiday, along with their daughter.

His wife is an American citizen, but as they are in Iran, the Male Iranian has the power to keep there daughter in the country, as he is a man and legally can do that, because of that culture.

That is justice, yes??

So the middle-eastern countries are looked upon as being okay, in that respect?

Why do we hear about the constant trouble going on there then?

I don't hear about goings on in Spain so much




nodisharmony

Im having a hard time grasping what point you are trying to make because I never agreed or disagreed with anything you said.

Im not saying its justice. Im not saying its right or wrong , im just saying thats the culture over their.

I don't hear about goings on in Spain so much

Why would you?! Most britons will instantly recognise it as a holiday destination. Sure their is **** flying over their , but theirs **** flying everywhere.

I have no idea what this topic is aiming for. Obviously nobody is going to agree with the sexism in their culture so whats left to discuss?!

[Dr43%er]

The Spanish culture is similar to ours, that is why you don't hear much complaining. When things do differ then you do hear about it. Bull fighting?

[Jackie]

:t humbs:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony



I don't hear about goings on in Spain so much

nodisharmony

Spain isn't exactly known as a major bastion of Islam so I'm not really suprised.

I wonder why you aren't railing against Vatican City - they have seperate institutions for men and women - damn their black catholic hearts

[rex3]

See now when it comes to Jewish Critism its not OK, but against other religouns or culture it is OK.

Although I opposed the killings of innocents and the halacust it doesnt mean the the general concensus on Jews is that there innocent in there Politics.

And by the way, you want to hear about JEWISH FAMILY AND HOW MEN TREAT THERE WIVES, before you go on about stereotypes of others.

[Stu]

Originally posted by spacebandit

Spain isn't exactly known as a major bastion of Islam so I'm not really suprised.

I wonder why you aren't railing against Vatican City - they have seperate institutions for men and women - damn their black catholic hearts

Brings up a good point. Average retired Joe who likes to watch the news at five every evening is probably hates those strange ol' islamic folk who are against women but support a church that is completely against LGBT , which includes both men , women , and a bit of both , just not as outright or as violently [because the vatican generally tend to be sneaky bastards].

[Sticks]

What right have we to say that another culture is wrong?

This is just cultural imperialism and imposing our values on someone else.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Sticks
What right have we to say that another culture is wrong?

This is just cultural imperialism and imposing our values on someone else.

Which , god forbid , would be a first for jolly ol' England .

I agree with what your saying though.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Stu

Im having a hard time grasping what point you are trying to make because I never agreed or disagreed with anything you said.

Im not saying its justice. Im not saying its right or wrong , Im just saying thats the culture over their.

Agreeing with what is correct is good

Cultures exist, but when injustice happens and a child is involved, and that child get's removed from it's American mother, because the father is an Iranian, and the Man is the boss in that middle-eastern country, it is unfair.

In serious debates section, there is plenty of unfair an corrupt situations pointed out and debated upon, but naturally, we can't change it.

Originally posted by Stu

Why would you?! Most britons will instantly recognise it as a holiday destination. Sure their is **** flying over their , but theirs **** flying everywhere.

I have no idea what this topic is aiming for. Obviously nobody is going to agree with the sexism in their culture so whats left to discuss?!

Spain was just an example, nothing more...

Iran, Iraq, Libya, I am sick of hearing this on the news....

Maybe Gordon Brown can make the right decision over Iraq..

I agree about the anti-sexism view... which is what this thread is about.







nodisharmony

[Dr43%er]

If it is about anti sexism, why point it directly at Moslem country's?

[Stu]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Agreeing with what is correct is good

You have a mighty talent for secretly applauding yourself mid sentence.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by Sticks
What right have we to say that another culture is wrong?

This is just cultural imperialism and imposing our values on someone else.

with that kind of attitude Hitler and his successor's would would be running the whole show by now.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
If it is about anti sexism, why point it directly at Moslem country's?

Maybe because its not "just a bit of sexism"......
It's stoning pregnant women in the street.
http://www.petitiononline.com/Malak/petition.html

[Dr43%er]

I quote
"I agree about the anti-sexism view... which is what this thread is about."

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Spain was just an example, nothing more...



I agree about the anti-sexism view... which is what this thread is about.







nodisharmony

then why haven't started a thread slating the catholics the same way as you did here ?

A patriarchal system where women are deemed subservient to man

No woman can hold as high an office as a man
Men make decisions affecting womens lives everyday and the women must submit to that will or else hells fires are a-waiting

So where is the anti-catholic thread in the same vein as this ?

or do you have some ulterior motive for using this reasoning to attack islam ?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
If it is about anti sexism, why point it directly at Moslem country's?

My opening post explains that.

Saying that middle-eastern countries look at Men first, which is unfair, even though it is their culture.






nodisharmony

[Shaun]

Originally posted by rex3
See now when it comes to Jewish Critism its not OK, but against other religouns or culture it is OK.

Although I opposed the killings of innocents and the halacust it doesnt mean the the general concensus on Jews is that there innocent in there Politics.

And by the way, you want to hear about JEWISH FAMILY AND HOW MEN TREAT THERE WIVES, before you go on about stereotypes of others.

Iran's human rights isn't religion or culture - it's foreign law.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

My opening post explains that.

Saying that middle-eastern countries look at Men first, which is unfair, even though it is their culture.

nodisharmony

As do the catholics so where is your outrage ?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit


then why haven't started a thread slating the catholics the same way as you did here ?

A patriarchal system where women are deemed subservient to man

No woman can hold as high an office as a man
Men make decisions affecting womens lives everyday and the women must submit to that will or else hells fires are a-waiting

So where is the anti-catholic thread in the same vein as this ?

or do you have some ulterior motive for using this reasoning to attack islam ?

I have pointed out how Men in these middle-eastern countries, are looked upon as much more important than a woman is.

I think that men & women should be treated equally. That is sexist and discrimainating a particular sex. Something that most would agree is unfair and should be illegal, but isn't

Regarding "Catholics", there are other issues, other than the one you point out, but that is another debate for another day and time. Start one up, Spacebandit...

Your comment about women, well, what about "Condoleezza Rice?"

Also, your comment is'nt very nice either






nodisharmony

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by bugsy2301

Iran's human rights isn't religion or culture - it's foreign law.

It's Shariah law, which is religious doctrine.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
I have pointed out how Men in these middle-eastern countries, are looked upon as much more important than a woman is.

I think that men & women should be treated equally. That is sexist and discrimainating a particular sex. Something that most would agree is unfair and should be illegal, but isn't

Regarding "Catholics", there are other issues, other than the one you point out, but that is another debate for another day and time. Start one up, Spacebandit...

Your comment about women, well, what about "Condoleezza Rice?"

Also, your comment is'nt very nice either

nodisharmony

Strange then that in your search for comments on "equality" in your original post you single out Islam - yet when it comes to the subjugation and oppression of women the catholic church is equally culpable.

It begs the question - why did you concentrate on islam ?

Though

I already know the answer.....

and what about Condoleeza Rice ? - other than as another example of bait and switch where does she fit into the scheme of your specious attack ?